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People are multifaceted. I'm sure he is good to his employees, like people are describing, but that ain't it. He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventual

People are multifaceted. I'm sure he is good to his employees, like people are describing, but that ain't it. He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around.

phone8675309 4y ago
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks.
- cookie_monsta 4y ago
  I'm so glad I never said anything stupid when I was 19
  - phone8675309 4y ago
    I've yet to see any evidence that his attitude has changed on this issue.
- _chu1 4y ago
  I don't care if you give your employees ice cream with sprinkles and a 40oz every day. If you say shit like this you deserve to have your entire company decompose slowly
worik 4y ago
> He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around. This. Yes. Facebook came within a whisker of establishing themselves as the central communications hub for the planet. They ruined their own business from greed. Grew it huge (instead of long steady growth) and it has collapsed. Greed It would not have been a good thing if they became "... He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around. " so we are all better off, probably. I hope the story of Zuck and FB become business school lessons on "greed is bad and will destroy you". Not what they taught me at business school (I was there in 2008) but they should have
- jjcon 4y ago
  How exactly were they greedy in particular? To me it seems they are doing what every other company is, I’m unaware of Meta engaging in anything greedy that is out of the ordinary, is that not the case (genuinely asking) and why do you think that is tied to these layoffs?
  - antipaul 4y ago
    One word: maximizing advertising revenue
  - m0llusk 4y ago
    They tried to connect people, but that didn't make money. So they pivoted to ads, but that didn't bring steady growth. So they fueled participation with tools like the Like button which stoked conflict from the start. Had they been cautious about their steps at any point then problems could have been avoided.
  - rawgabbit 4y ago
    Zuckerberg was hauled in to US Congress more than once and was chastised for all kinds of wrongdoing. E.g. spreading foreign propaganda in US elections, encouraging extremist violence. FB chase for user engagement has made it into the modern version of a gladiatorial freak show. If broadcasting two one legged gladiators fight to the death will draw eyeballs, Zuckbot will do it.
  - jonny_eh 4y ago
    There's the video metrics scandal: https://www.ccn.com/facebook-lied-about-video-metrics/ https://www.ccn.com/facebook-lied-about-video-metrics/ They lied to content creators about how much money could be earned by switching to video on FB. This bankrupted multiple businesses, including Collegehumor and FunnyOrDie: https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?lang=en https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?l...
- GCA10 4y ago
  There's a classic Tim O'Reilly line about the importance of "creating more value than you capture." Early Facebook was very good at this! I used their ads platform a lot in 2009-10 to raise engagement for a small non-profit that I was helping. The Facebook experience was simple, easy and great value for the money. And then the ads ecosystem gradually got "optimized." Our nonprofit still kept using it for a while, but it was clear that the focus no longer was in providing great experiences for us -- or our intended audience. Pricing went up; as did efforts to steer me into packages that worked better for FB than me. It was as if someone said: "Stop creating 2x the value you capture. Move toward 1.01x" FB made many billions over the next decade. But it drained the ecosystem's goodwill. Old-economy industrial giants usually took 80-100 years to paint themselves into this corner. Kind of amazing that FB has done it in less than 20.
nonameiguess 4y ago
This is the key thing that people need to realize. Being a very nice person is simply not enough to be a good person. Hitler was famously kind to his dogs and domestic staff. He even personally intervened to save Ernst Hess, his Jewish CO from WWI. Big-time "but I have black friends" vibes.
JohnBooty 4y ago
People are multifaceted. I'm sure he is good to his employees, like people are describing, but that ain't it. This is refreshing to read. I would like to see more of this rather than "Zuck good" or "Zuck bad." Of course, for those immediately impacted and hurt/angered by his actions I certainly wouldn't blame anybody for venting. But it would be much more productive to talk about "thing Zuck did good" or "thing Zuck did bad."

People are multifaceted. I'm sure he is good to his employees, like people are describing, but that ain't it. He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around.

phone8675309 4y ago

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks.

cookie_monsta 4y ago
I'm so glad I never said anything stupid when I was 19
- phone8675309 4y ago
  I've yet to see any evidence that his attitude has changed on this issue.
_chu1 4y ago
I don't care if you give your employees ice cream with sprinkles and a 40oz every day. If you say shit like this you deserve to have your entire company decompose slowly

worik 4y ago

> He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around. This. Yes. Facebook came within a whisker of establishing themselves as the central communications hub for the planet. They ruined their own business from greed. Grew it huge (instead of long steady growth) and it has collapsed. Greed It would not have been a good thing if they became "... He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around. " so we are all better off, probably. I hope the story of Zuck and FB become business school lessons on "greed is bad and will destroy you". Not what they taught me at business school (I was there in 2008) but they should have

jjcon 4y ago
How exactly were they greedy in particular? To me it seems they are doing what every other company is, I’m unaware of Meta engaging in anything greedy that is out of the ordinary, is that not the case (genuinely asking) and why do you think that is tied to these layoffs?
- antipaul 4y ago
  One word: maximizing advertising revenue
- m0llusk 4y ago
  They tried to connect people, but that didn't make money. So they pivoted to ads, but that didn't bring steady growth. So they fueled participation with tools like the Like button which stoked conflict from the start. Had they been cautious about their steps at any point then problems could have been avoided.
- rawgabbit 4y ago
  Zuckerberg was hauled in to US Congress more than once and was chastised for all kinds of wrongdoing. E.g. spreading foreign propaganda in US elections, encouraging extremist violence. FB chase for user engagement has made it into the modern version of a gladiatorial freak show. If broadcasting two one legged gladiators fight to the death will draw eyeballs, Zuckbot will do it.
- jonny_eh 4y ago
  There's the video metrics scandal: https://www.ccn.com/facebook-lied-about-video-metrics/ https://www.ccn.com/facebook-lied-about-video-metrics/ They lied to content creators about how much money could be earned by switching to video on FB. This bankrupted multiple businesses, including Collegehumor and FunnyOrDie: https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?lang=en https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?l...
GCA10 4y ago
There's a classic Tim O'Reilly line about the importance of "creating more value than you capture." Early Facebook was very good at this! I used their ads platform a lot in 2009-10 to raise engagement for a small non-profit that I was helping. The Facebook experience was simple, easy and great value for the money. And then the ads ecosystem gradually got "optimized." Our nonprofit still kept using it for a while, but it was clear that the focus no longer was in providing great experiences for us -- or our intended audience. Pricing went up; as did efforts to steer me into packages that worked better for FB than me. It was as if someone said: "Stop creating 2x the value you capture. Move toward 1.01x" FB made many billions over the next decade. But it drained the ecosystem's goodwill. Old-economy industrial giants usually took 80-100 years to paint themselves into this corner. Kind of amazing that FB has done it in less than 20.

nonameiguess 4y ago

This is the key thing that people need to realize. Being a very nice person is simply not enough to be a good person. Hitler was famously kind to his dogs and domestic staff. He even personally intervened to save Ernst Hess, his Jewish CO from WWI. Big-time "but I have black friends" vibes.

JohnBooty 4y ago

People are multifaceted. I'm sure he is good to his employees, like people are describing, but that ain't it. This is refreshing to read. I would like to see more of this rather than "Zuck good" or "Zuck bad." Of course, for those immediately impacted and hurt/angered by his actions I certainly wouldn't blame anybody for venting. But it would be much more productive to talk about "thing Zuck did good" or "thing Zuck did bad."