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Meta may sound like an unethical company frequently from a product standpoint, but Zuckerberg is a very good guy in general and he treats employees very well.
by princevegeta89 4y ago
Meta may sound like an unethical company frequently from a product standpoint, but Zuckerberg is a very good guy in general and he treats employees very well.
- kraf 4y agoYou can't be serious. I think it's rare for a company to treat developers poorly but that's beside the point. Didn't he lie to congress, waste tens of millions of dollars on legal defense for himself and repeatedly turn a blind eye to human trafficking, voter manipulation, the spread of hate and division, genocide and more? He swept studies under the rug that show that his platforms directly led to increases in teenage suicides. This man is not a good guy just because you feel he's nice to some people. People he depends on at that.
- asdfman123 4y agoPeople are multifaceted. I'm sure he is good to his employees, like people are describing, but that ain't it. He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around.
- phone8675309 4y agoZuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks.
- cookie_monsta 4y agoI'm so glad I never said anything stupid when I was 19
- phone8675309 4y agoI've yet to see any evidence that his attitude has changed on this issue.
- _chu1 4y agoI don't care if you give your employees ice cream with sprinkles and a 40oz every day. If you say shit like this you deserve to have your entire company decompose slowly
- worik 4y ago> He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around. This. Yes. Facebook came within a whisker of establishing themselves as the central communications hub for the planet. They ruined their own business from greed. Grew it huge (instead of long steady growth) and it has collapsed. Greed It would not have been a good thing if they became "... He's repeatedly betrayed user trust, and eventually what goes around comes around. " so we are all better off, probably. I hope the story of Zuck and FB become business school lessons on "greed is bad and will destroy you". Not what they taught me at business school (I was there in 2008) but they should have
- jjcon 4y agoHow exactly were they greedy in particular? To me it seems they are doing what every other company is, I’m unaware of Meta engaging in anything greedy that is out of the ordinary, is that not the case (genuinely asking) and why do you think that is tied to these layoffs?
- antipaul 4y agoOne word: maximizing advertising revenue
- m0llusk 4y agoThey tried to connect people, but that didn't make money. So they pivoted to ads, but that didn't bring steady growth. So they fueled participation with tools like the Like button which stoked conflict from the start. Had they been cautious about their steps at any point then problems could have been avoided.
- rawgabbit 4y agoZuckerberg was hauled in to US Congress more than once and was chastised for all kinds of wrongdoing. E.g. spreading foreign propaganda in US elections, encouraging extremist violence. FB chase for user engagement has made it into the modern version of a gladiatorial freak show. If broadcasting two one legged gladiators fight to the death will draw eyeballs, Zuckbot will do it.
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- nonameiguess 4y agoThis is the key thing that people need to realize. Being a very nice person is simply not enough to be a good person. Hitler was famously kind to his dogs and domestic staff. He even personally intervened to save Ernst Hess, his Jewish CO from WWI. Big-time "but I have black friends" vibes.
- JohnBooty 4y agoPeople are multifaceted. I'm sure he is good to his employees, like people are describing, but that ain't it. This is refreshing to read. I would like to see more of this rather than "Zuck good" or "Zuck bad." Of course, for those immediately impacted and hurt/angered by his actions I certainly wouldn't blame anybody for venting. But it would be much more productive to talk about "thing Zuck did good" or "thing Zuck did bad."
- callmeal 4y agoCompany over Country right?
- consumer451 4y agoAre there any examples of a CEO choosing country over company in the modern USA? Not defending Zuck here, would just like to read about that if possible.
- vincentkriek 4y agoWould be against the law right? You are required to maximize stockholder value
- vel0city 4y agoIf the majority of Facebook's shareholders wanted to liquidate the company and blow the proceeds hosting the biggest ice cream party in the world the executives are supposed to make that happen. It's not about producing profits it's about doing what the shareholders want.
- prottog 4y ago> You are required to maximize stockholder value This is legal fiction that has no bearing in the kinds of subjects that it often gets brought up in. Simply put, those responsible for a company (e.g. officers of a corporation) have a fiduciary duty towards its owners (e.g. the shareholders), and it means that the owners would have legal recourse against the officers if they were provably pissing money away on things that don't benefit the company at all. That latter part is a high bar and critically does not mean that they are, for example, legally required to prioritize quarterly profits over the long-term success of the company or to pay employees as little as possible, as is often mentioned. It just means that officers must take action that furthers the interests of the company in the way that they prudently and reasonably see fit.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
- ipaddr 4y agoBlame Sheryl Sandberg for many of the unethical decisions
- worik 4y ago
- gausswho 4y agoSuggesting she was a token girl is the greater misogyny
- truthwhisperer 4y ago
- ipaddr 4y agoNot a great look to introduce sexism into the conversation. Nor labeling grown adults as names we call little children. Sheryl was given credit for creating current facebook culture. Before Sheryl employees had unaudited to your private photos for example. Are you going to say she deserves no credit and we better credit the boys instead? If not then she must accept any failures that come from that culture.
- worik 4y ago> Not a great look to introduce sexism into the conversation. Nor labeling grown adults as names we call little children. You have no idea of what "sexism" is.
- forgotusername6 4y agoReminds me of Hank Scorpio
- kridsdale2 4y agoI'm pretty sure Scorpio's lair of paradise was inspired by Microsoft in Redmond. In the 90s, it was legendarily posh with how well the people were treated. Nobody in corporate america had that quality of fitness centers, on-site cafes, etc. Google was the next to up the ante in mid-2000s with things like daycare, a ball pit, food, drycleaning. All equally mind-blowing to the populace who expected a workplace would have an elevator, and a coffee machine nobody refills.
- JamesianP 4y ago> All equally mind-blowing to the populace who expected a workplace would have an elevator, and a coffee machine nobody refills. There was a "coffee pool", where you joined to contribute a dollar or something a week and someone would buy the supplies. At big companies there were often food trucks. Also a cafeteria, which probably sucked. There might also be a small library where you could hang out and read relevant trade journals.
- Exmoor 4y agoI don't believe MS ever had onsite fitness centers. Employees got subsidized memberships to offsite gyms, but the only things onsite were/are playfields and showers for bike commuters, etc. Food might have been okay by 90s standards, but was pretty mediocre overall until ~2010 when they started redoing all the cafes to have a higher quality food. Still, it was slightly subsidized but not free and many, many employees went offsite or brought food from home.
- lazyasciiart 4y agoYes, there was a gym next to the playfields on main campus.