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Really scary to see what should be intelligent and critical people falling for literal Russian propaganda. From this comment on Hacker News [1]: >> The Soviet
by piva00 4y ago
Really scary to see what should be intelligent and critical people falling for literal Russian propaganda.
From this comment on Hacker News [1]:
>> The Soviets brokered a deal with us. We agreed NATO would not expand eastwards.
> This is simply not true. It is a talking point developed for Putin's speech at 2007 Munich security conference to justify the shift to genocidal wars against its neighbors. It did not exist before 2007 and was not brought up when, for example, Poland joined NATO in 1999. There was an endless stream of whining and unspecified threats from Russian diplomats at the time, but not once do I remember talk about any deals.
> It's nothing more than a simple, yet effective hook for catching western self-flagellants into their net, while the truth is that western governments went above and beyond to accommodate Russia and build cooperation, and it still lead to a maniacal dictatorship carrying out genocide in Europe and threatening rest of the world with hunger and nuclear armageddon.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33524310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33524310
- d0mine 4y agoThe first result in google (that I expect to be a politically correct propaganda): "these promises were made orally and were never recorded in a treaty" recalled Olivier Kempf https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-... So at the very least there were promises.
- fknorangesite 4y ago> what should be intelligent and critical people What on earth makes you think that?