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This Marty person seems like a full on psychopath. I always wonder with stories like these how the lawyers feel after a day’s work. Like, “hi daddy, how was wor

This Marty person seems like a full on psychopath. I always wonder with stories like these how the lawyers feel after a day’s work. Like, “hi daddy, how was work?” - “oh it was fantastic, we strong armed an independent musician into getting screwed over by our client, an ambitious psychopath!” -hugs-

crazydoggers 4y ago
Parent comment might seem flip, but it’s actually a real and important point. There are quite a number of people with anti social personality disorder within corporate management structures. Marty has all of the hallmark signs. I think the real sad part is that Mick wasn’t able to identify Marty’s personality type at the outset, and seemed to keep falling for his lies, gaslighting, and manipulation, and under estimated the degree to which someone like him would throw someone under the bus at a moments notice. Mental heal of corporate America definitely needs more examination, because with this type of wealth and power, it often ruins lives both big and small.
- JohnBooty 4y ago
  I think the real sad part is that Mick wasn’t able to identify Marty’s personality type at the outset The sociopathic and sociopathy-adjacent people who rise to these positions of power are very good at cloaking behaviors. They're not obviously creepy jerks hiding in the bushes near a playground wearing filthy clothing, leering at the children and planning an abduction. Nobody wants to work with people like that and they almost never become successful. The ones who do climb the ranks generally have a lot of positive traits. That's what makes them so dangerous. One minute they're doing something legitimately good. The next minute they're pulling sociopathic moves. Somebody like Jeffrey Epstein is a great example. Accomplished socialite, donated to great causes and institutions, personable, even had a close female friend so he couldn't be an abuser, right? Except he was, obviously. The lesson for me was not that people were gullible, it was that some of these predators are simply that good at cloaking themselves. (To be crystal clear, I'm not saying Marty is as bad as Epstein, or directly comparing them in any way whatsoever. I'm just saying: successful jerks are usually a complex mix of good and bad traits. In Marty's defense he's in a high pressure role with a lot of money on the line and lots of crap to navigate and perhaps is trying his best but has come up short. I don't know.)
JohnBooty 4y ago
I blame everything but the lawyers. A functional and just legal system depends on both parties having effective legal representation. Our current system falls far short of that ideal but I never feel that lawyers are the issue. It's the system itself, as well as the Zenimaxes and Martys of the world, that I blame.
- skrebbel 4y ago
  Sure, but how are those stalling tactics and threat-laden scare letters “effective legal representation” and not just bullying the little guy?
  - JohnBooty 4y ago
    I think we both hate those toxic, bullying behaviors. But lawyers don't do those things on their own. They're doing it at the express direction of ZeniMax. They may even be direct employees of Zenimax, who knows. I'm not totally absolving lawyers from blame, but they're much closer to being a symptom than the problem.
- monadology 4y ago
  It's worth noting as well that the decision to settle is (at least nominally) reserved solely to the client. If Marty/id/Zenimax say no settlement, hold the line then ultimately the outside law firm can't do much to wrap things up. They can drop the client, but that has issues of its own. I think corporate law uses the rationale about legal representation to shield itself from much soul-searching around bad behavior, but that's another discussion and the underlying principle is certainly true.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Corporate lawyers with feelings are selected out very early.

crazydoggers 4y ago

Parent comment might seem flip, but it’s actually a real and important point. There are quite a number of people with anti social personality disorder within corporate management structures. Marty has all of the hallmark signs. I think the real sad part is that Mick wasn’t able to identify Marty’s personality type at the outset, and seemed to keep falling for his lies, gaslighting, and manipulation, and under estimated the degree to which someone like him would throw someone under the bus at a moments notice. Mental heal of corporate America definitely needs more examination, because with this type of wealth and power, it often ruins lives both big and small.

JohnBooty 4y ago
I think the real sad part is that Mick wasn’t able to identify Marty’s personality type at the outset The sociopathic and sociopathy-adjacent people who rise to these positions of power are very good at cloaking behaviors. They're not obviously creepy jerks hiding in the bushes near a playground wearing filthy clothing, leering at the children and planning an abduction. Nobody wants to work with people like that and they almost never become successful. The ones who do climb the ranks generally have a lot of positive traits. That's what makes them so dangerous. One minute they're doing something legitimately good. The next minute they're pulling sociopathic moves. Somebody like Jeffrey Epstein is a great example. Accomplished socialite, donated to great causes and institutions, personable, even had a close female friend so he couldn't be an abuser, right? Except he was, obviously. The lesson for me was not that people were gullible, it was that some of these predators are simply that good at cloaking themselves. (To be crystal clear, I'm not saying Marty is as bad as Epstein, or directly comparing them in any way whatsoever. I'm just saying: successful jerks are usually a complex mix of good and bad traits. In Marty's defense he's in a high pressure role with a lot of money on the line and lots of crap to navigate and perhaps is trying his best but has come up short. I don't know.)

JohnBooty 4y ago

I blame everything but the lawyers. A functional and just legal system depends on both parties having effective legal representation. Our current system falls far short of that ideal but I never feel that lawyers are the issue. It's the system itself, as well as the Zenimaxes and Martys of the world, that I blame.

skrebbel 4y ago
Sure, but how are those stalling tactics and threat-laden scare letters “effective legal representation” and not just bullying the little guy?
- JohnBooty 4y ago
  I think we both hate those toxic, bullying behaviors. But lawyers don't do those things on their own. They're doing it at the express direction of ZeniMax. They may even be direct employees of Zenimax, who knows. I'm not totally absolving lawyers from blame, but they're much closer to being a symptom than the problem.
monadology 4y ago
It's worth noting as well that the decision to settle is (at least nominally) reserved solely to the client. If Marty/id/Zenimax say no settlement, hold the line then ultimately the outside law firm can't do much to wrap things up. They can drop the client, but that has issues of its own. I think corporate law uses the rationale about legal representation to shield itself from much soul-searching around bad behavior, but that's another discussion and the underlying principle is certainly true.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

Corporate lawyers with feelings are selected out very early.