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You're definitely not going to get fired for that on its own. Maybe I'm over-estimating how much this ends up mattering. But I think it can matter in other smal

by alecbz 4y ago

You're definitely not going to get fired for that on its own. Maybe I'm over-estimating how much this ends up mattering. But I think it can matter in other small ways too that can negatively effect your career growth.

pjc50 4y ago
Once the redundancies have started, the clock is running: you no longer have career growth at that company. You need to start planning your next career move elsewhere.
- alecbz 4y ago
  I don't think this is categorically true... you think _all_ the companies that have recently announced layoffs are basically sinking ships?
  - pjc50 4y ago
    But it does mean your options for promotion and salary increase are clearly limited. And in tech there's strong evidence that more career development happens when you move companies than within a company. You may find there's nowhere better to go, but switching to "looking externally" rather than "looking internally" for new jobs is definitely a good idea.
    - alecbz 4y ago
      > You may find there's nowhere better to go Yeah that's kinda the rub right now though. Everyone's frozen, tons are laying off. If the only information you have is "my company did a layoff", it's not clear you're better off looking externally vs. internally vs. staying on your current team. One bad case is you leave your company that just did a layoff for one that has yet to do one (but will need to soon).
satysin 4y ago
I understand your concerns and certainly don't mean to minimise them, this is just my personal experience and opinion after all :) Do what you feel comfortable with at the end of the day. My original reply was meant as one possible answer that I have seen first hand to work well for both parties. I will add as another personal opinion though that I very rarely see people that choose to stay at a company going though layoffs hanging around very long. More often than not those people experience a 'depression' (for want of a better word that escapes me as I write this) seeing their friends leave, not having the freedom the had back in the "good old days", little if any progression, the constant "sorry not this quarter, we're still recovering from the layoffs", living in constant anxiety that they will be in the next round of layoffs, etc. So they often leave within a year or two anyway. Over the years I have played this game and now I am a bit more proactive about exiting before that 'depression' hits me. Of course what is right for me is not right for all, only you can truly decide what you feel is best given your situation.

by alecbz 4y ago

pjc50 4y ago

Once the redundancies have started, the clock is running: you no longer have career growth at that company. You need to start planning your next career move elsewhere.

alecbz 4y ago
I don't think this is categorically true... you think _all_ the companies that have recently announced layoffs are basically sinking ships?
- pjc50 4y ago
  But it does mean your options for promotion and salary increase are clearly limited. And in tech there's strong evidence that more career development happens when you move companies than within a company. You may find there's nowhere better to go, but switching to "looking externally" rather than "looking internally" for new jobs is definitely a good idea.
  - alecbz 4y ago
    > You may find there's nowhere better to go Yeah that's kinda the rub right now though. Everyone's frozen, tons are laying off. If the only information you have is "my company did a layoff", it's not clear you're better off looking externally vs. internally vs. staying on your current team. One bad case is you leave your company that just did a layoff for one that has yet to do one (but will need to soon).

satysin 4y ago

I understand your concerns and certainly don't mean to minimise them, this is just my personal experience and opinion after all :) Do what you feel comfortable with at the end of the day. My original reply was meant as one possible answer that I have seen first hand to work well for both parties. I will add as another personal opinion though that I very rarely see people that choose to stay at a company going though layoffs hanging around very long. More often than not those people experience a 'depression' (for want of a better word that escapes me as I write this) seeing their friends leave, not having the freedom the had back in the "good old days", little if any progression, the constant "sorry not this quarter, we're still recovering from the layoffs", living in constant anxiety that they will be in the next round of layoffs, etc. So they often leave within a year or two anyway. Over the years I have played this game and now I am a bit more proactive about exiting before that 'depression' hits me. Of course what is right for me is not right for all, only you can truly decide what you feel is best given your situation.