3 ms·

> If I were a French taxpayer who just paid €10B to nationalize EDF, I would absolutely ask why you’d prioritize nuclear. Because we have Spain and Germany nex

by arkh 4y ago

> If I were a French taxpayer who just paid €10B to nationalize EDF, I would absolutely ask why you’d prioritize nuclear. Because we have Spain and Germany next to us going for full wind and solar. Let's see how it goes and use their experience if it goes well instead of putting all the European eggs in the same basket.

kkfx 4y ago
> Spain and Germany next to us going for full wind and solar. Actually they going full coal and oil and gas since they need electricity and hydro suffer from drought and wind does not produce much AND in general without massive storage no grid can work on renewables... Oh, I say that as one who have p.v., with (little) storage at home, and I see how the frequency suffer from irregular loads even at that small scale.
- barbazoo 4y ago
  > Actually they going full coal and oil and gas since they need electricity and hydro suffer from drought and wind does not produce much AND in general without massive storage no grid can work on renewables... I very much doubt that much of that is true, at least for Germany. Could you share the source for that claim?
  - kkfx 4y ago
    For instance https://theobjective.com/economia/2022-08-04/espana-carbon-gobierno/ https://theobjective.com/economia/2022-08-04/espana-carbon-g... "energy crisis force Spain to increment 108% coal electricity generation" or for Germany, in English https://reneweconomy.com.au/in-germany-a-wind-farm-is-dismantled-to-make-way-for-expanded-lignite-coal-mine/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/in-germany-a-wind-farm-is-disman... https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/germany-reactivates-coal-power-plants-amid-russian-gas-supply-threats/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/germany-reactiv... And also https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220620-dutch-join-germany-austria-in-reverting-to-coal https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220620-dutch-join-ge... https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-energy-u-turn-coal-instead-of-gas/a-62709160 https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-energy-u-turn-coal-instead-of... https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220627-france-may-restart-coal-fired-power-plant-ahead-of-winter-energy-spike https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220627-france-may-restart-coa...
    - barbazoo 4y ago
      I don't read any of that as Germany "going full coal and oil and gas".
      - kkfx 4y ago
        https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/09/PE22_374_43312.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/09/PE22_374_43312.html It's better? You do not see much data because no EU country want to advertise much their sorry state of energy.

by arkh 4y ago

kkfx 4y ago

> Spain and Germany next to us going for full wind and solar. Actually they going full coal and oil and gas since they need electricity and hydro suffer from drought and wind does not produce much AND in general without massive storage no grid can work on renewables... Oh, I say that as one who have p.v., with (little) storage at home, and I see how the frequency suffer from irregular loads even at that small scale.

barbazoo 4y ago
> Actually they going full coal and oil and gas since they need electricity and hydro suffer from drought and wind does not produce much AND in general without massive storage no grid can work on renewables... I very much doubt that much of that is true, at least for Germany. Could you share the source for that claim?
- kkfx 4y ago
  For instance https://theobjective.com/economia/2022-08-04/espana-carbon-gobierno/ https://theobjective.com/economia/2022-08-04/espana-carbon-g... "energy crisis force Spain to increment 108% coal electricity generation" or for Germany, in English https://reneweconomy.com.au/in-germany-a-wind-farm-is-dismantled-to-make-way-for-expanded-lignite-coal-mine/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/in-germany-a-wind-farm-is-disman... https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/germany-reactivates-coal-power-plants-amid-russian-gas-supply-threats/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/germany-reactiv... And also https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220620-dutch-join-germany-austria-in-reverting-to-coal https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220620-dutch-join-ge... https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-energy-u-turn-coal-instead-of-gas/a-62709160 https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-energy-u-turn-coal-instead-of... https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220627-france-may-restart-coal-fired-power-plant-ahead-of-winter-energy-spike https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220627-france-may-restart-coa...
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    I don't read any of that as Germany "going full coal and oil and gas".
    - kkfx 4y ago
      https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/09/PE22_374_43312.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/09/PE22_374_43312.html It's better? You do not see much data because no EU country want to advertise much their sorry state of energy.