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Sadly I share your pessimism

by smcl 4y ago

zeristor 4y ago
One would think that there would be diminishing returns to more infrastructure in London, that some investment in the Power House North would do wonders. A high speed rail linking up Liverpool to Hull sounds like a good idea, there are the Penniness to drill though, but it would hardly be the Gotthard base tunnel would it. Pennine base tunnel anyone? [update: this turns out to be a study for a road tunnel] https://transportforthenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/trans-pennine-tunnel-strategic-study-stage-3-report.pdf https://transportforthenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/trans-pe...
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  Tory governments have negative interest in "levelling up" the North. There's a lot of rhetoric, but all the action has been destructive. Liverpool to Hull would be transformative, as would an improved service to London. But the Leeds leg of HS2 was (predictably) one of the first things to be cut, so I wouldn't expect either to happen any time soon.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Its pretty terrible, that line would have had a major capacity impact on all the other Eastern lines. It goes a long way destroying the major benefits of HS2.
- youngtaff 4y ago
  HS2 does more than just improve transport around London, it improves transport in the regions it goes through be separating local and high speed rail Midlands Connect cover some of the gains they’ll get in these docs https://www.midlandsconnect.uk/publications/hs2-released-capacity/ https://www.midlandsconnect.uk/publications/hs2-released-cap... Those gains are part of the reason HS2 should go all the way to Scotland and why the Northern Powerhouse route from Hull to Liverpool should be built too
- lmm 4y ago
  > One would think that there would be diminishing returns to more infrastructure in London, that some investment in the Power House North would do wonders. Why would one think that? Everything we see suggests returns are compounding rather than diminishing.

Sadly I share your pessimism

by smcl 4y ago

Sadly I share your pessimism

One would think that there would be diminishing returns to more infrastructure in London, that some investment in the Power House North would do wonders. A high speed rail linking up Liverpool to Hull sounds like a good idea, there are the Penniness to drill though, but it would hardly be the Gotthard base tunnel would it. Pennine base tunnel anyone? [update: this turns out to be a study for a road tunnel] https://transportforthenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/trans-pennine-tunnel-strategic-study-stage-3-report.pdf https://transportforthenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/trans-pe...

TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
Tory governments have negative interest in "levelling up" the North. There's a lot of rhetoric, but all the action has been destructive. Liverpool to Hull would be transformative, as would an improved service to London. But the Leeds leg of HS2 was (predictably) one of the first things to be cut, so I wouldn't expect either to happen any time soon.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Its pretty terrible, that line would have had a major capacity impact on all the other Eastern lines. It goes a long way destroying the major benefits of HS2.
youngtaff 4y ago
HS2 does more than just improve transport around London, it improves transport in the regions it goes through be separating local and high speed rail Midlands Connect cover some of the gains they’ll get in these docs https://www.midlandsconnect.uk/publications/hs2-released-capacity/ https://www.midlandsconnect.uk/publications/hs2-released-cap... Those gains are part of the reason HS2 should go all the way to Scotland and why the Northern Powerhouse route from Hull to Liverpool should be built too
lmm 4y ago
> One would think that there would be diminishing returns to more infrastructure in London, that some investment in the Power House North would do wonders. Why would one think that? Everything we see suggests returns are compounding rather than diminishing.