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Telling the truth is always better. "I bet the company on metaverse and I was wrong." Or, "now looks like a really good time to lay everyone off because all th

Telling the truth is always better. "I bet the company on metaverse and I was wrong." Or, "now looks like a really good time to lay everyone off because all the other companies are doing it too"

stingraycharles 4y ago
I don’t think it’s that simple — yes maybe in private you could say that, but this would set them up for an investor revolt or make them come across as huge assholes if they say things like that. They may be true, but telling it to everyone is definitely not always better.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  Of course. It's not about the best move or what looks better. Nobody cares for that. It's about the truth. That's what people care about in the end. And if none of it was said here, parent is pointing out that Mark is truly an ass. Something like "laying off people because other companies are doing it" is pretty fucked up.
- cmmeur01 4y ago
  Making shit up to obscure the truth is a way bigger asshole move than just telling the truth.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    What did they lie about?
travisporter 4y ago
zuck did say “I want to take accountability for these decisions and for how we got here.”
- bart_spoon 4y ago
  Is he laying off himself too? Because simply saying "I take accountability" without any actual consequences isn't taking accountability.
  - namdnay 4y ago
    he lost 75% of his personal wealth, so there have been pretty real consequences for him already
    - solardev 4y ago
      What does that even mean? He won't have to work for a few centuries instead of a millennium? Lol. Compared to his employees' livelihoods, a billionaire losing some bit of their immeasurable wealth is irrelevant. He made a stupid bet and doesn't suffer any real consequences for it because Meta has no real accountability.
      - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        If we want to treat the numbers as meaningful and make low effort quips about wealth inequality being bad for society when they go up then we must also concede that it is meaningfully bad for him when the numbers go down if we are to be logically consistent. Personally I think beyond a couple billion it serves no purpose for quality of life for anyone and we only care in order to crudely "keep score" of who's in charge of more "stuff" since it can't really be liquidated or repurposed other endeavors efficiently and these people are de-factor world leaders in some capacity (a private industry analogue to GDP if you will).
        solardev 4y ago
        It's not a logical inconsistency to point out that dollars matter a lot less once you have enough. The difference between having a dollar and ten dollars a day is huge. The difference between a hundred and a thousand a day is still big, sure, but you're probably not going to die of starvation either way. And once you're in dev salary land and higher, you're counting bedrooms, acres, cars, vacations, yachts... The wealth inequality thing matters not because Bezos has spaceships and Zuckerberg only has 3d glasses. It's that we still have millions of people with food and shelter insecurity, regardless of how much the richest have. It's not a linear thing. Zuckerberg losing a few million is utterly meaningless vs a regular family losing a few thousand.
joshspankit 4y ago
Would telling the truth be better if the real truth was “We’ve been waiting for a good excuse to drop a bunch of people and boost the bottom line short-term so we can get some loans”? p.s. I’m making up a scenario based on other businesses, I have no idea what meta is doing these days
- rinze 4y ago
  > I have no idea what meta is doing these days What you said, but in a Second Life clone.
throwawaylinux 4y ago
The tech industry labor market has been cooling rapidly this year, it's not only ad-tech companies, and certainly not only in companies who might have over-hired due to betting everything on metaverse.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
Or the fed increased interest rates and the economy is forced into recession too stop inflation.
snapcaster 4y ago
Are you trolling? that would be worse for literally everyone involved. Have you held yourself to this standard in your professional life? it seems so absurd
- swader999 4y ago
  Yeah, in 2008 I saw the writing on the wall. Told my team we'd all be laid off soon. I finished the project I was on first and was the first laid off due to no more work.
nonrandomstring 4y ago
> the truth is always better A favourite Mr. Robot scenes has everybody at the AllSafe office wearing a giant badge with their most fundamental truth written on it. It mocks a "post-privacy" some fools advocate, via the cynical eyes of Esmail's hacker character Elliot. Point being; human relations don't work on "truths" but on carefully managed mutually secured fictions and personas to protect us and preserve power relations. Traditionally we call those "manners" (tactical lying so others can save face etc). But for the comedy of unexpectedly volunteered truths, who wouldn't enjoy a Mufti Day, where everyone at work gets to speak the unvarnished truth with absolute impunity for a day?
themihai 4y ago
Many people can't handle the truth. That's why see weird situations that don't make sense(i.e religion, populist leaders, snakeoil etc)

Telling the truth is always better. "I bet the company on metaverse and I was wrong." Or, "now looks like a really good time to lay everyone off because all the other companies are doing it too"

stingraycharles 4y ago

I don’t think it’s that simple — yes maybe in private you could say that, but this would set them up for an investor revolt or make them come across as huge assholes if they say things like that. They may be true, but telling it to everyone is definitely not always better.

deltasevennine 4y ago
Of course. It's not about the best move or what looks better. Nobody cares for that. It's about the truth. That's what people care about in the end. And if none of it was said here, parent is pointing out that Mark is truly an ass. Something like "laying off people because other companies are doing it" is pretty fucked up.
cmmeur01 4y ago
Making shit up to obscure the truth is a way bigger asshole move than just telling the truth.
- themitigating 4y ago
  What did they lie about?

travisporter 4y ago

zuck did say “I want to take accountability for these decisions and for how we got here.”

bart_spoon 4y ago
Is he laying off himself too? Because simply saying "I take accountability" without any actual consequences isn't taking accountability.
- namdnay 4y ago
  he lost 75% of his personal wealth, so there have been pretty real consequences for him already
  - solardev 4y ago
    What does that even mean? He won't have to work for a few centuries instead of a millennium? Lol. Compared to his employees' livelihoods, a billionaire losing some bit of their immeasurable wealth is irrelevant. He made a stupid bet and doesn't suffer any real consequences for it because Meta has no real accountability.
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      If we want to treat the numbers as meaningful and make low effort quips about wealth inequality being bad for society when they go up then we must also concede that it is meaningfully bad for him when the numbers go down if we are to be logically consistent. Personally I think beyond a couple billion it serves no purpose for quality of life for anyone and we only care in order to crudely "keep score" of who's in charge of more "stuff" since it can't really be liquidated or repurposed other endeavors efficiently and these people are de-factor world leaders in some capacity (a private industry analogue to GDP if you will).
      - solardev 4y ago
        It's not a logical inconsistency to point out that dollars matter a lot less once you have enough. The difference between having a dollar and ten dollars a day is huge. The difference between a hundred and a thousand a day is still big, sure, but you're probably not going to die of starvation either way. And once you're in dev salary land and higher, you're counting bedrooms, acres, cars, vacations, yachts... The wealth inequality thing matters not because Bezos has spaceships and Zuckerberg only has 3d glasses. It's that we still have millions of people with food and shelter insecurity, regardless of how much the richest have. It's not a linear thing. Zuckerberg losing a few million is utterly meaningless vs a regular family losing a few thousand.

joshspankit 4y ago

Would telling the truth be better if the real truth was “We’ve been waiting for a good excuse to drop a bunch of people and boost the bottom line short-term so we can get some loans”? p.s. I’m making up a scenario based on other businesses, I have no idea what meta is doing these days

rinze 4y ago
> I have no idea what meta is doing these days What you said, but in a Second Life clone.

throwawaylinux 4y ago

The tech industry labor market has been cooling rapidly this year, it's not only ad-tech companies, and certainly not only in companies who might have over-hired due to betting everything on metaverse.

mensetmanusman 4y ago

Or the fed increased interest rates and the economy is forced into recession too stop inflation.

snapcaster 4y ago

Are you trolling? that would be worse for literally everyone involved. Have you held yourself to this standard in your professional life? it seems so absurd

swader999 4y ago
Yeah, in 2008 I saw the writing on the wall. Told my team we'd all be laid off soon. I finished the project I was on first and was the first laid off due to no more work.

nonrandomstring 4y ago

> the truth is always better A favourite Mr. Robot scenes has everybody at the AllSafe office wearing a giant badge with their most fundamental truth written on it. It mocks a "post-privacy" some fools advocate, via the cynical eyes of Esmail's hacker character Elliot. Point being; human relations don't work on "truths" but on carefully managed mutually secured fictions and personas to protect us and preserve power relations. Traditionally we call those "manners" (tactical lying so others can save face etc). But for the comedy of unexpectedly volunteered truths, who wouldn't enjoy a Mufti Day, where everyone at work gets to speak the unvarnished truth with absolute impunity for a day?

themihai 4y ago

Many people can't handle the truth. That's why see weird situations that don't make sense(i.e religion, populist leaders, snakeoil etc)