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Don't we have this with the World Wide Web, since its beginning?

Gigachad 4y ago
Nope. The kiwi farms situation demonstrated that the whole internet is under the control of a very slim number of individuals.
- Zanfa 4y ago
  This sounds exactly like the crypto universe, which seems to be mostly controlled/manipulated by a small number of (crypto) billionaires and their shadowy corporations.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    That’s true. I’m very disappointed that crypto has misdirected decentralised systems in to becoming useless hype scams resulting in almost no progress in the last decade. We have a bunch of hype tech like IPFS but I’m still yet to see a single website using it. Tor onion sites are still the most useful tool there is for censorship proof hosting.
- pornel 4y ago
  Or maybe it's controlled by many different individuals and organizations, but very few of them want to cooperate with fascist tormentors. https://xkcd.com/1357/ https://xkcd.com/1357/
  - mcosta 4y ago
    The problem is who decides who is a fascist tormentor.
    - pornel 4y ago
      In this case everyone involved, over and over again. There's widespread agreement they're scum.
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        This shouldn't matter. In an ideal world, if someone wants a website online and they are complying with the local laws, they should be able to have a website online. I don't think we need to force individual companies to host it, but we should restructure the internet so the decision is out of their hands. Currently we have a fatal flaw where ISPs are able to start disrupting traffic to certain IPs. They aren't hosting it, but they are a middle man from end user ISPs to the host ISP. It would have been nice if all the crypto bros had built something actually useful for decentralized hosting rather than hype scams that don't work for real world usage.
happymellon 4y ago
Sort of, selfhosted websites is definitely a thing. However my thoughts around Fediverse is more that you own your data, you can transfer your data about and corporations can't shut your down.

Nope. The kiwi farms situation demonstrated that the whole internet is under the control of a very slim number of individuals.

Zanfa 4y ago
This sounds exactly like the crypto universe, which seems to be mostly controlled/manipulated by a small number of (crypto) billionaires and their shadowy corporations.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  That’s true. I’m very disappointed that crypto has misdirected decentralised systems in to becoming useless hype scams resulting in almost no progress in the last decade. We have a bunch of hype tech like IPFS but I’m still yet to see a single website using it. Tor onion sites are still the most useful tool there is for censorship proof hosting.
pornel 4y ago
Or maybe it's controlled by many different individuals and organizations, but very few of them want to cooperate with fascist tormentors. https://xkcd.com/1357/ https://xkcd.com/1357/
- mcosta 4y ago
  The problem is who decides who is a fascist tormentor.
  - pornel 4y ago
    In this case everyone involved, over and over again. There's widespread agreement they're scum.
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      This shouldn't matter. In an ideal world, if someone wants a website online and they are complying with the local laws, they should be able to have a website online. I don't think we need to force individual companies to host it, but we should restructure the internet so the decision is out of their hands. Currently we have a fatal flaw where ISPs are able to start disrupting traffic to certain IPs. They aren't hosting it, but they are a middle man from end user ISPs to the host ISP. It would have been nice if all the crypto bros had built something actually useful for decentralized hosting rather than hype scams that don't work for real world usage.

happymellon 4y ago

Sort of, selfhosted websites is definitely a thing. However my thoughts around Fediverse is more that you own your data, you can transfer your data about and corporations can't shut your down.