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Let's see, am I going to believe the overwhelming amount of evidence or am I going to believe the guy that makes a baseless emotional claim denying the evidence

Let's see, am I going to believe the overwhelming amount of evidence or am I going to believe the guy that makes a baseless emotional claim denying the evidence. I think I will go with the former. If Israel is not a terrorist state, then there is no such thing as a terrorist state in the world: [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) [Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc) ["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm) [If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/ http://ifamericaknew.org/) Israel is not only a terrorist state, but an apartheid state on top of that: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...

eloff 4y ago
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect. I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.
- runnerup 4y ago
  "State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism which a state conducts against another state or against its own citizens."[0] Seems to fit the definition just fine. I'm not claiming "Israel is pure evil" or anything like that, it's surely a nuanced situation. However, they do commit acts of terrorism against Palestinians...which are either another state or their own citizens, depending on the prevailing views. Maybe these are justified or necessary for the survival of the Israeli state. It's just hard to deny that it happens. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism
  - eloff 4y ago
    What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. Not denying there must be some for you to believe this, just stating that I am unaware of them.
    - jedimind 4y ago
      > What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) [Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc) ["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm) [If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/ http://ifamericaknew.org/) It's quite amusing how you make baseless claim after baseless claim, then demand more evidence, besides the evidence you have already conveniently ignored. Your cognitive dissonance is actually quite mind boggling, you are the one "believing" in a narrative that is convenient for you, while we are the ones making judgments based on evidence, yet you accuse us of what you yourself are actually guilty of. Even the testimony of the ex-IDF solider testifying that his job was literally to terrorize Palestinians should suffice to refute your false claims, but you can't be bothered to process the evidence because it goes against your preconceived notions.
      - eloff 4y ago
        You just repeated the same things. That's does not make Israel a terrorist state. It's horrible, yes. But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either. Words matter. Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions.
        jedimind 4y ago
        >You just repeated the same things. Yes, I will repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it, makes sense doesn't it? >That's does not make Israel a terrorist state. Doing acts of terrorism for 70+ years doesn't make Israel a terrorist state!? Then what does? >But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either. Whataboutism + Non sequitur. >Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions. I never claimed that they weren't, but you are still engaging in whataboutism. Curiously tho, you label them as terrorists without giving any evidence, while I have given you enough evidence that Israel itself is guilty of similar and much worse crimes, yet you label one as terrorist and refuse the label for the other, little dishonest aren't you?! And hamas is as much or less a terrorist organization as the ukrainian azov are. Most people have the education to recognize that people have an internationally recognized right to defend their lands. That's why Palestinians have the right to resist israeli colonization, because it's self defense, while israel is fighting a war of aggression based on colonialist ambitions, the evidence has been given and I will continue to repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it. It's clear by now that you have no interest whatsoever in making arguments based on evidence, but you rather follow a fixed narrative which you have chosen based on anything but evidence. This is clear to any objective follower and reader of the discussion.
- jedimind 4y ago
  > I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect. Yet here you are, arguing with me, making more baseless vapid claims which you can't be bothered to back up with any evidence whatsoever. >I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning. Wrong. Israel is both a terrorist state and an apartheid state, the evidence for which is overwhelming and we have given you evidence[0][1][2] for it too, while you provided 0 evidence for your false claims. [0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart... [1] Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”: https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc [2] "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe: http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm

eloff 4y ago

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect. I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.

runnerup 4y ago
"State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism which a state conducts against another state or against its own citizens."[0] Seems to fit the definition just fine. I'm not claiming "Israel is pure evil" or anything like that, it's surely a nuanced situation. However, they do commit acts of terrorism against Palestinians...which are either another state or their own citizens, depending on the prevailing views. Maybe these are justified or necessary for the survival of the Israeli state. It's just hard to deny that it happens. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism
- eloff 4y ago
  What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. Not denying there must be some for you to believe this, just stating that I am unaware of them.
  - jedimind 4y ago
    > What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) [Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc) ["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm) [If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/ http://ifamericaknew.org/) It's quite amusing how you make baseless claim after baseless claim, then demand more evidence, besides the evidence you have already conveniently ignored. Your cognitive dissonance is actually quite mind boggling, you are the one "believing" in a narrative that is convenient for you, while we are the ones making judgments based on evidence, yet you accuse us of what you yourself are actually guilty of. Even the testimony of the ex-IDF solider testifying that his job was literally to terrorize Palestinians should suffice to refute your false claims, but you can't be bothered to process the evidence because it goes against your preconceived notions.
    - eloff 4y ago
      You just repeated the same things. That's does not make Israel a terrorist state. It's horrible, yes. But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either. Words matter. Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions.
      - jedimind 4y ago
        >You just repeated the same things. Yes, I will repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it, makes sense doesn't it? >That's does not make Israel a terrorist state. Doing acts of terrorism for 70+ years doesn't make Israel a terrorist state!? Then what does? >But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either. Whataboutism + Non sequitur. >Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions. I never claimed that they weren't, but you are still engaging in whataboutism. Curiously tho, you label them as terrorists without giving any evidence, while I have given you enough evidence that Israel itself is guilty of similar and much worse crimes, yet you label one as terrorist and refuse the label for the other, little dishonest aren't you?! And hamas is as much or less a terrorist organization as the ukrainian azov are. Most people have the education to recognize that people have an internationally recognized right to defend their lands. That's why Palestinians have the right to resist israeli colonization, because it's self defense, while israel is fighting a war of aggression based on colonialist ambitions, the evidence has been given and I will continue to repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it. It's clear by now that you have no interest whatsoever in making arguments based on evidence, but you rather follow a fixed narrative which you have chosen based on anything but evidence. This is clear to any objective follower and reader of the discussion.
jedimind 4y ago
> I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect. Yet here you are, arguing with me, making more baseless vapid claims which you can't be bothered to back up with any evidence whatsoever. >I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning. Wrong. Israel is both a terrorist state and an apartheid state, the evidence for which is overwhelming and we have given you evidence[0][1][2] for it too, while you provided 0 evidence for your false claims. [0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart... [1] Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”: https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc [2] "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe: http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm