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That it's on your own app where you anyway know exactly which backend endpoint has been called by the user does. I really don't get the outrage about that, it'

That it's on your own app where you anyway know exactly which backend endpoint has been called by the user does. I really don't get the outrage about that, it's something that has existed for 15 or 20 years at least and is used a lot on most websites you go on. What private information do you think is sent to the vendor that would not be otherwise?

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
> That it's on your own app where you anyway know exactly which backend endpoint has been called by the user does. If it only exposed information the user was already sending, the vendor wouldn't bother with the spyware. > What private information do you think is sent to the vendor that would not be otherwise? Depends on the app; I expect, for instance, market apps (Amazon, Walmart, etc.) to watch the user's every move to try and better model the user's mental state in an effort to get them to buy stuff that they wouldn't have done otherwise.
- adrr 4y ago
  No one is modeling your state of mind because it doesn’t work. We do look at click stream data and try to push down the number clicks/swipes/etc to purchase. Everything is done on a cohort basis, there is no value at an individual scale.
- dkdbejwi383 4y ago
  > Depends on the app; I expect, for instance, market apps (Amazon, Walmart, etc.) to watch the user's every move to try and better model the user's mental state in an effort to get them to buy stuff that they wouldn't have done otherwise. Not being funny but I think you’re vastly overestimating the capabilities of most engineering teams.
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    > in an effort to Just because they may be bad at something doesn't mean they don't attempt it.
tyfon 4y ago
This attitude is why I hardly have any native apps on my phone and use a browser with ublock origin for it. You can see how valuable this tracking is by the amount of websites begging you to install their native apps. No thanks!
- recursive 4y ago
  Websites can still track everywhere you're tapping though. Wasn't that the original scare?
  - tyfon 4y ago
    Yeah I know they do, but websites can collect much less data than native apps. I just try to minimize it.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      What data can apps collect without you giving them permission that websites can’t?
      - wasmitnetzen 4y ago
        A unique identifier which is 100% stable over multiple sessions for once. Which makes the rest of the data so much more useful.
        scarface74 4y ago
        There are plenty of ways to uniquely enough identify a user on the web.
        alickz 4y ago
        Why is that possible in native apps but not websites?
        4y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

> That it's on your own app where you anyway know exactly which backend endpoint has been called by the user does. If it only exposed information the user was already sending, the vendor wouldn't bother with the spyware. > What private information do you think is sent to the vendor that would not be otherwise? Depends on the app; I expect, for instance, market apps (Amazon, Walmart, etc.) to watch the user's every move to try and better model the user's mental state in an effort to get them to buy stuff that they wouldn't have done otherwise.

adrr 4y ago
No one is modeling your state of mind because it doesn’t work. We do look at click stream data and try to push down the number clicks/swipes/etc to purchase. Everything is done on a cohort basis, there is no value at an individual scale.
dkdbejwi383 4y ago
> Depends on the app; I expect, for instance, market apps (Amazon, Walmart, etc.) to watch the user's every move to try and better model the user's mental state in an effort to get them to buy stuff that they wouldn't have done otherwise. Not being funny but I think you’re vastly overestimating the capabilities of most engineering teams.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  > in an effort to Just because they may be bad at something doesn't mean they don't attempt it.

tyfon 4y ago

This attitude is why I hardly have any native apps on my phone and use a browser with ublock origin for it. You can see how valuable this tracking is by the amount of websites begging you to install their native apps. No thanks!

recursive 4y ago
Websites can still track everywhere you're tapping though. Wasn't that the original scare?
- tyfon 4y ago
  Yeah I know they do, but websites can collect much less data than native apps. I just try to minimize it.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    What data can apps collect without you giving them permission that websites can’t?
    - wasmitnetzen 4y ago
      A unique identifier which is 100% stable over multiple sessions for once. Which makes the rest of the data so much more useful.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        There are plenty of ways to uniquely enough identify a user on the web.
      - alickz 4y ago
        Why is that possible in native apps but not websites?
        4y ago