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Tracking how users use your own app is hardly malicious, in fact it's entirely in an effort to identify user frustration and solve it or otherwise improve the p
by judge2020 4y ago
Tracking how users use your own app is hardly malicious, in fact it's entirely in an effort to identify user frustration and solve it or otherwise improve the product. Tracking across different apps is definitely malicious, though.
- MereInterest 4y agoTracking how users use their own phones is certainly malicious. Regardless of whether they are using an application that you wrote, it is their phone.
- s3p 4y agoThat is not what is happening here. Users' on-screen taps inside the App Store app are being tracked. Not their interactions with any other aspect of the phone.
- croes 4y agoHe/she is referring to parents comment >tracking how users use your own app is hardly malicious
- MereInterest 4y agoWhere, pray tell, are the user's on-screen taps occurring, if not on the user's phone?
- smoldesu 4y agoYou can justify a lot of crazy behavior with "we need it to improve our product", that doesn't make it inherently ethical though.
- cmeacham98 4y agoThat also doesn't make it inherently unethical, and so far nobody has provided evidence of that claim.
- krono 4y agoThe Universal Declaration of Human Rights says something about arbitrary interference in a person's privacy not being okay, so there's that. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...
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- cmeacham98 4y agoNot convinced. By your logic, an nginx log with your IP in it is a similarly egregious and unethical privacy violation. If you're going to commit to "all forms of tracking are bad no matter what" I'm going to need stronger evidence than a link a page on the UN's website.
- krono 4y agoSaving that IP to the webserver's log is rather necessary for it to function, whereas these detailed records of user behaviour can almost never be. Just because someone uses an application, does not mean you "own" them and have a moral right to freely collect and do whatever you want with records of their behaviour. Also it's just weird.
- cmeacham98 4y agoPlease explain how webserver logging is "necessary for it to function".
- krono 4y ago
- cmeacham98 4y agoSo I'll take that as you can't demonstrate it? Interestingly, I started up an Nginx server and piped the logs to /dev/null and it worked just fine!! Wow, turns out those logs weren't necessary at all. And by your standard, where tracking that isn't necessary for the website to function is unethical, that makes every single person running Nginx in its default configuration bad and participating in unethical tracking of users!
- jesterson 4y ago
- simonh 4y agoBecause humans aren’t omniscient with perfect reasoning ability, and full knowledge of all possible user circumstances and needs.
- tbjoern 4y agoHow would you find out what causes user frustration? Company internal testing can only go so far, especially in a small team.
- Nullabillity 4y agoAsk them/make it easy for them to tell you?