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Crypto exchange Binance helped Iranian firms trade $8B despite sanctions

57 points by taylorbuley 4y ago

Comevius 4y ago
Another happy landing for cryptocurrency, making the world a better place one terrorist state at a time. They also shared their client data with Russia.
- jedimind 4y ago
  Traditional finance also makes it easier for terrorist states like Israel, so I don’t really understand your biased judgment here. Money and State need to be separated so states don’t have the ability to start endless wars enabled via arbitrary money printing and centralized control for weaponization of finance, thus cryptocurrency is more helpful for peace while traditional finance perpetuates the current evil we have.
  - eloff 4y ago
    Israel is not a terrorist state. That's ridiculous.
    - jedimind 4y ago
      Let's see, am I going to believe the overwhelming amount of evidence or am I going to believe the guy that makes a baseless emotional claim denying the evidence. I think I will go with the former. If Israel is not a terrorist state, then there is no such thing as a terrorist state in the world: [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) [Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc) ["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm) [If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/ http://ifamericaknew.org/) Israel is not only a terrorist state, but an apartheid state on top of that: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...
      - eloff 4y ago
        I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect. I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.
        runnerup 4y ago
        "State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism which a state conducts against another state or against its own citizens."[0] Seems to fit the definition just fine. I'm not claiming "Israel is pure evil" or anything like that, it's surely a nuanced situation. However, they do commit acts of terrorism against Palestinians...which are either another state or their own citizens, depending on the prevailing views. Maybe these are justified or necessary for the survival of the Israeli state. It's just hard to deny that it happens. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism
        eloff 4y ago
        What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. Not denying there must be some for you to believe this, just stating that I am unaware of them.
        jedimind 4y ago
        > What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) [Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc) ["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm) [If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/ http://ifamericaknew.org/) It's quite amusing how you make baseless claim after baseless claim, then demand more evidence, besides the evidence you have already conveniently ignored. Your cognitive dissonance is actually quite mind boggling, you are the one "believing" in a narrative that is convenient for you, while we are the ones making judgments based on evidence, yet you accuse us of what you yourself are actually guilty of. Even the testimony of the ex-IDF solider testifying that his job was literally to terrorize Palestinians should suffice to refute your false claims, but you can't be bothered to process the evidence because it goes against your preconceived notions.
    - AHOHA 4y ago
      Said no one except JIDF!
- usednet 4y ago
  Step out of the American bubble and you’ll soon see its delusions. https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-cuba-israel-europe-bf38ea2b62324cbd9ed3ce10905883d8 https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-cuba-israel-...
- zarzavat 4y ago
  The US decided unilaterally to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal and threatened EU firms with secondary sanctions. The US does not have any moral high ground here.
janef0421 4y ago
I can't really judge them for doing this. Sanctions that target the ability to use the global financial system are overly broad and harm basic human rights; For instance, Iran experienced major medication shortages during the pandemic. If a country is going to place sanctions on another country, they should be more specifically targeted.
- techsplooge 4y ago
  Agreed. Not only has it made me rich, I'm glad to see crypto helping out marginalized countries such as Iran.
perihelions 4y ago
- "The exchange said it serves as a "safe bridge between 3.5 million Iranians and the world of cryptocurrencies." I don't think any person should have the power to deplatform 3.5 million (??) people from financial services. Such tools should not exist.
zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
Good
midislack 4y ago
That means it’s working. It’s not really crypto if you can sanction it.
- ramblerman 4y ago
  crypto ideally should allow an online transaction to be as easy as me handing you a dollar note from my pocket. Sanctions can still make it illegal for me to pay you that dollar. You are comparing apples and oranges.
  - midislack 4y ago
    Nope. Crypto without anonymity and robust anti-government-interference features is pointless. Might as well use PayPal.
    - CyberDildonics 4y ago
      You are conflating a company with individual cryptocurrencies.
amadeuspagel 4y ago
US sanctions policy is a humanitiarian disaster, a kind of medieval siege warfare, starving entire countries because the US has some problem with their government. I'm glad to see that cryptocurrency helps alleviate this.
- ramblerman 4y ago
  > a kind of medieval siege warfare Still better than actual warfare. Sanctions can serve their purpose. It's a bit simplistic to rule them out all together, unless you have another stick with which to put pressure on these types of regimes.
  - unmole 4y ago
    > these types of regimes Like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar? They're going to be sanctioned too, right? Right?
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4y ago
Are these not the Iranians we are supposed to be supporting?

57 points by taylorbuley 4y ago

Another happy landing for cryptocurrency, making the world a better place one terrorist state at a time. They also shared their client data with Russia.

jedimind 4y ago
Traditional finance also makes it easier for terrorist states like Israel, so I don’t really understand your biased judgment here. Money and State need to be separated so states don’t have the ability to start endless wars enabled via arbitrary money printing and centralized control for weaponization of finance, thus cryptocurrency is more helpful for peace while traditional finance perpetuates the current evil we have.
- eloff 4y ago
  Israel is not a terrorist state. That's ridiculous.
  - jedimind 4y ago
    Let's see, am I going to believe the overwhelming amount of evidence or am I going to believe the guy that makes a baseless emotional claim denying the evidence. I think I will go with the former. If Israel is not a terrorist state, then there is no such thing as a terrorist state in the world: [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) [Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc) ["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm) [If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/ http://ifamericaknew.org/) Israel is not only a terrorist state, but an apartheid state on top of that: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...
    - eloff 4y ago
      I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect. I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.
      - runnerup 4y ago
        "State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism which a state conducts against another state or against its own citizens."[0] Seems to fit the definition just fine. I'm not claiming "Israel is pure evil" or anything like that, it's surely a nuanced situation. However, they do commit acts of terrorism against Palestinians...which are either another state or their own citizens, depending on the prevailing views. Maybe these are justified or necessary for the survival of the Israeli state. It's just hard to deny that it happens. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism
        eloff 4y ago
        What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. Not denying there must be some for you to believe this, just stating that I am unaware of them.
        jedimind 4y ago
        > What are these acts of terrorism then? Sources please. [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) [Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc) ["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm) [If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/ http://ifamericaknew.org/) It's quite amusing how you make baseless claim after baseless claim, then demand more evidence, besides the evidence you have already conveniently ignored. Your cognitive dissonance is actually quite mind boggling, you are the one "believing" in a narrative that is convenient for you, while we are the ones making judgments based on evidence, yet you accuse us of what you yourself are actually guilty of. Even the testimony of the ex-IDF solider testifying that his job was literally to terrorize Palestinians should suffice to refute your false claims, but you can't be bothered to process the evidence because it goes against your preconceived notions.
  - AHOHA 4y ago
    Said no one except JIDF!
usednet 4y ago
Step out of the American bubble and you’ll soon see its delusions. https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-cuba-israel-europe-bf38ea2b62324cbd9ed3ce10905883d8 https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-cuba-israel-...
zarzavat 4y ago
The US decided unilaterally to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal and threatened EU firms with secondary sanctions. The US does not have any moral high ground here.

janef0421 4y ago

I can't really judge them for doing this. Sanctions that target the ability to use the global financial system are overly broad and harm basic human rights; For instance, Iran experienced major medication shortages during the pandemic. If a country is going to place sanctions on another country, they should be more specifically targeted.

techsplooge 4y ago
Agreed. Not only has it made me rich, I'm glad to see crypto helping out marginalized countries such as Iran.

perihelions 4y ago

- "The exchange said it serves as a "safe bridge between 3.5 million Iranians and the world of cryptocurrencies." I don't think any person should have the power to deplatform 3.5 million (??) people from financial services. Such tools should not exist.

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago

Good

midislack 4y ago

That means it’s working. It’s not really crypto if you can sanction it.

ramblerman 4y ago
crypto ideally should allow an online transaction to be as easy as me handing you a dollar note from my pocket. Sanctions can still make it illegal for me to pay you that dollar. You are comparing apples and oranges.
- midislack 4y ago
  Nope. Crypto without anonymity and robust anti-government-interference features is pointless. Might as well use PayPal.
  - CyberDildonics 4y ago
    You are conflating a company with individual cryptocurrencies.

amadeuspagel 4y ago

US sanctions policy is a humanitiarian disaster, a kind of medieval siege warfare, starving entire countries because the US has some problem with their government. I'm glad to see that cryptocurrency helps alleviate this.

ramblerman 4y ago
> a kind of medieval siege warfare Still better than actual warfare. Sanctions can serve their purpose. It's a bit simplistic to rule them out all together, unless you have another stick with which to put pressure on these types of regimes.
- unmole 4y ago
  > these types of regimes Like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar? They're going to be sanctioned too, right? Right?

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4y ago

Are these not the Iranians we are supposed to be supporting?