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> Whether it is passively watching hands free a la TikTok or being prompted to press a like button, post text, or smoke a cigarette and regardless of the trigge

> Whether it is passively watching hands free a la TikTok or being prompted to press a like button, post text, or smoke a cigarette and regardless of the trigger - so long as you don't forget the thing exists and come back to it every day profits go up. You're just describing the basics of business but framing it to be nefarious? People who make a product, generally want it to be used as much as possible. It's why newspapers have crosswords and tv shows have cliffhangers. It's a problem when you want it to happen over the wellbeing of the users, so unless you think getting people to communicate with their friends and families is as bad as smoking, it doesn't seem to be the same thing. It reminds me of that Key and Peele sketch where Peele described robbing a bank by working for them every day for 40 years

recuter 4y ago
> It's a problem when you want it to happen over the wellbeing of the users, so unless you think getting people to communicate with their friends and families is as bad as smoking, it doesn't seem to be the same thing. Facebook thinks its pretty bad: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/29/22701445/facebook-instagram-mental-health-research-pdfs-documents https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/29/22701445/facebook-instagr... I don't know that it is worse than cancer. Lets hope not. Strange yardstick.
- bryan_w 4y ago
  High level: "We know Facebook executives believe that the company has positive overall benefits for the world" And it was you that originally brought up cigarettes
  - recuter 4y ago
    “We know Facebook executives believe that the company has positive overall benefits for the world, and we also know that they are meticulous students of their own data,” Newton wrote on Tuesday. “It’s hard to understand why, if the data is so positive, Facebook is often so reluctant to share it.” Please don't take things out of context. The authors really actually are claiming that Facebook knows it is harmful and knew all along - disagree with them if you want but don't rewrite their position.
dutchCourage 4y ago
> People who make a product, generally want it to be used as much as possible. It's true for things that have a recurring revenue, and most of the time it's at the expense of the actual purpose of the product. We take it for granted with social media, but imagine an email client doing the same and adding some random content between emails to keep you more engaged. Would you use it?

recuter 4y ago

> It's a problem when you want it to happen over the wellbeing of the users, so unless you think getting people to communicate with their friends and families is as bad as smoking, it doesn't seem to be the same thing. Facebook thinks its pretty bad: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/29/22701445/facebook-instagram-mental-health-research-pdfs-documents https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/29/22701445/facebook-instagr... I don't know that it is worse than cancer. Lets hope not. Strange yardstick.

bryan_w 4y ago
High level: "We know Facebook executives believe that the company has positive overall benefits for the world" And it was you that originally brought up cigarettes
- recuter 4y ago
  “We know Facebook executives believe that the company has positive overall benefits for the world, and we also know that they are meticulous students of their own data,” Newton wrote on Tuesday. “It’s hard to understand why, if the data is so positive, Facebook is often so reluctant to share it.” Please don't take things out of context. The authors really actually are claiming that Facebook knows it is harmful and knew all along - disagree with them if you want but don't rewrite their position.

dutchCourage 4y ago

> People who make a product, generally want it to be used as much as possible. It's true for things that have a recurring revenue, and most of the time it's at the expense of the actual purpose of the product. We take it for granted with social media, but imagine an email client doing the same and adding some random content between emails to keep you more engaged. Would you use it?