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Lock her up and throw away the key. What she did was incredibly perverse, disgusting, and immoral. She proved to millions of women that they too can get ahead,

Lock her up and throw away the key. What she did was incredibly perverse, disgusting, and immoral. She proved to millions of women that they too can get ahead, for a little while, by cheating, cajoling, and scamming their way to the top. For women needing role models, she set them back greatly.

jmcgough 4y ago
- ram4jesus 4y ago
  That’s an excellent point a lot of people probably doing worse harm than her, got away and are getting away with it. It’s a shame.
- nirav72 4y ago
  She first and foremost defrauded rich and powerful people. That's usually the difference between one group getting away with it and others not. Bernie Madoff is another example.
- andirk 4y ago
  Did the company actually believe that the breakthrough could be made? That is a huge distinction between a scam and a scientific experiment that did not yield positive results. It did become an outright scam after a while, though. Moral of the story: don't mess with extremely rich people's money unless you yourself are also extremely rich.
- origin_path 4y ago
  Who are the male CEOs who did what she did, exactly, and how do you know they're guilty?
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    That's my question as well.
- creato 4y ago
  The closest example I can think of is Trevor Milton of Nikola. He was convicted of almost exactly the same thing as Elizabeth Holmes: https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-ele... The people that invested in and defend Holmes know nothing about biotech. The people that do know avoided Theranos/Holmes: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/03/she-saw-through-elizabeth-holmes-now-stanford-professor-is-star-in-theranos-saga/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/03/she-saw-through-eliza.... > I’m not the only person. A lot of the people in the Valley were skeptics. The venture capitalists didn’t believe her for a second. She’d wave her arms and they’d say, “We have to know how this works.” And she’d say, “It’s a trade secret.” And they’d say, “Get out of here.” > No. I just thought everybody was crazy. I mean, look at the board, that’s insane. That’s not corporate feasance, that’s malfeasance to have a board that knows nothing about any of this.

jmcgough 4y ago

ram4jesus 4y ago
That’s an excellent point a lot of people probably doing worse harm than her, got away and are getting away with it. It’s a shame.
nirav72 4y ago
She first and foremost defrauded rich and powerful people. That's usually the difference between one group getting away with it and others not. Bernie Madoff is another example.
andirk 4y ago
Did the company actually believe that the breakthrough could be made? That is a huge distinction between a scam and a scientific experiment that did not yield positive results. It did become an outright scam after a while, though. Moral of the story: don't mess with extremely rich people's money unless you yourself are also extremely rich.
origin_path 4y ago
Who are the male CEOs who did what she did, exactly, and how do you know they're guilty?
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  That's my question as well.
creato 4y ago
The closest example I can think of is Trevor Milton of Nikola. He was convicted of almost exactly the same thing as Elizabeth Holmes: https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-ele... The people that invested in and defend Holmes know nothing about biotech. The people that do know avoided Theranos/Holmes: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/03/she-saw-through-elizabeth-holmes-now-stanford-professor-is-star-in-theranos-saga/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/03/she-saw-through-eliza.... > I’m not the only person. A lot of the people in the Valley were skeptics. The venture capitalists didn’t believe her for a second. She’d wave her arms and they’d say, “We have to know how this works.” And she’d say, “It’s a trade secret.” And they’d say, “Get out of here.” > No. I just thought everybody was crazy. I mean, look at the board, that’s insane. That’s not corporate feasance, that’s malfeasance to have a board that knows nothing about any of this.