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as a person that works for a healthcare startup that relies on facebook ads, while I agree with how much it sucks as a consumer, as a business offering there is

as a person that works for a healthcare startup that relies on facebook ads, while I agree with how much it sucks as a consumer, as a business offering there is nothing like it. There is no add network that reaches more people, and gets more clicks, than the facebook add network. We felt it hard when Apple mucked with them, as well did a lot of other startups. So while I understand the "privacy risks", I think it's equally foolhardy to ignore the positive impact it has for many businesses. It accounts for more than 1/2 of total revenue, for sure. If it went away, something would fill it's shoes for us eventually, and quite frankly I don't think that replacement would be any better for humanity.

worik 4y ago
> We felt it hard when Apple mucked with them, as well did a lot of other startups I have no sympathy for that. Creepy stalking as a business model? There is no polite response that does it justification. > I think it's equally foolhardy to ignore the positive impact it has for many businesses. Even less sympathy. Find a business model that does not treat your customers as fungible units to be reached en mass. Your benefit does not make me happier about my suffering. The creation of a surveillance network that removes privacy entirely (which is what we do not have because we stopped facebook, but it is still a risk - forever vigilant) is too high a price to pay for your business success. Golly. You made me angry.
- andirk 4y ago
  Breathe. I agree that stalking people without their permission (can one be stalked with permission?) should not be an option and is a bad necessity of a business. The goal of the customer is to use the product to its fullest potential. Re: advertising, customer will hyper target as much as possible. The blame is squarely on Facebook for allowing invasive targeting. That said, I really enjoyed the fine grained hyper targeting when I was running some local election campaigns. I could literally send messages to specific friends via the ads!
hbn 4y ago
While I understand the cancer risks, it's foolhardy to ignore the positive impact asbestos had for construction businesses in terms of affordability and convenience of installation.
- somenewaccount1 4y ago
  While I understand your analogy, advertising tracking != death. And also...yup. Exactly right. Thankfully something did come along that provided the business affordability and convenience of installation, while simultaneously reducing the health effects. You see, they took everything into consideration when then replaced it - both the benefit to the consumers and the businesses using it.

worik 4y ago

> We felt it hard when Apple mucked with them, as well did a lot of other startups I have no sympathy for that. Creepy stalking as a business model? There is no polite response that does it justification. > I think it's equally foolhardy to ignore the positive impact it has for many businesses. Even less sympathy. Find a business model that does not treat your customers as fungible units to be reached en mass. Your benefit does not make me happier about my suffering. The creation of a surveillance network that removes privacy entirely (which is what we do not have because we stopped facebook, but it is still a risk - forever vigilant) is too high a price to pay for your business success. Golly. You made me angry.

andirk 4y ago
Breathe. I agree that stalking people without their permission (can one be stalked with permission?) should not be an option and is a bad necessity of a business. The goal of the customer is to use the product to its fullest potential. Re: advertising, customer will hyper target as much as possible. The blame is squarely on Facebook for allowing invasive targeting. That said, I really enjoyed the fine grained hyper targeting when I was running some local election campaigns. I could literally send messages to specific friends via the ads!

hbn 4y ago

While I understand the cancer risks, it's foolhardy to ignore the positive impact asbestos had for construction businesses in terms of affordability and convenience of installation.

somenewaccount1 4y ago
While I understand your analogy, advertising tracking != death. And also...yup. Exactly right. Thankfully something did come along that provided the business affordability and convenience of installation, while simultaneously reducing the health effects. You see, they took everything into consideration when then replaced it - both the benefit to the consumers and the businesses using it.