> That's not how it works. That's exactly how it works. > There is a clear casual relationship between certain COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis. No, there i

> That's not how it works. That's exactly how it works. > There is a clear casual relationship between certain COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis. No, there is not. Yet again: correlation does not equal causation. If you know of a study that actually asserts causation (and not just correlation), link it. > For example, there has never been a study which proves that smoking causes lung cancer. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3749017/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3749017/ Unlike either of the studies you linked, this one goes at great lengths to describe the myriad identified confounding variables (for which they can then be controlled) in the correlation between smoking and lung cancer, the exact mechanisms by which tobacco smoke causes lung cancer (and the exact carcinogens present in tobacco smoke), even the exact mutations in tumor-suppressing genes like p53. The studies linking mRNA vaccines to myocarditis don't come anywhere close to that level of examination. Similar deal with this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9603183/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9603183/ Consequently: > But the correlation established through observational studies is so strong that causality is clear. And that is very unlike the situation with vaccines and myocarditis, wherein the correlation is nowhere near as strong and for which the causality is nowhere near as clear. That vast difference is why - unlike either of the articles you cited - the myriad articles on the relationship between smoking and lung cancer are able to assert causation, and indeed do so. Until that changes, it is deeply irresponsible to prematurely declare the relationship between vaccines and myocarditis to be in any way "causal". It's a "maybe" at best. ---- Speaking of smoking and its deleterious effects: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20555426/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20555426/ And gender variance in high school student tobacco use - including of smoking tobacco - does exist: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth_data/tobacco_use/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/yout... How many uncontrolled-for confounding variables do I need to pull up before you're willing to admit how utterly irresponsible it is to declare from on high that the link between mRNA vaccines and myocarditis in young males is "causal"?