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Former infantry here - One of the things that was drilled into my head, obstacles should always be covered by fire to deter these sorts of things. If you can't
by tedmcory77 4y ago
Former infantry here - One of the things that was drilled into my head, obstacles should always be covered by fire to deter these sorts of things. If you can't cover it by fire, then maybe it's not worth putting on obstacle on.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y agoBased on what we've seen in Ukraine so far, I have absolutely no expectations.
- favorited 4y agoI saw a video of a Russian tank approaching an anti-tank mine sitting in the middle of the road, and they just... drove over it, causing detonation. It wasn't camouflaged at all, it was just sitting there. I'm not sure what the soldiers in the tank expected. Maybe they missed the "don't drive over obvious mines" day in tank school.
- codenesium 4y agoProbably thought it was the run over and blow up kind not the kind with a magnet.
- watwut 4y agoTanks don't have all that great visibility, soldiers sleep a little in bad conditions, often eat a little + crappy food and are under high stress. Triple so in Russian army by all accounts I read. Drivers in cars in best conditions fail to notice things, so it is not all that surprising that Russian army soldier would not notice things.
- pfdietz 4y agoI wonder how many fake mines had also been placed on the roads.
- ddoolin 4y agoBy fire do you mean weapon fire? Sorry, maybe it's obvious but my brain keeps jumping to literal fire.
- HonestOp001 4y agoCorrect, weapon’s fire.
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
- tedmcory77 4y agoYea, either direct (person with a rifle) or indirect (artillery/mortars). Ultimately obstacles slow, not prevent.
- tedmcory77 4y agoThis wiki article provides good clarity, especially the "obstacle negotiation" part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstacles_to_troop_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstacles_to_troop_movement
- sa46 4y agoAlso former infantry: To expand the point, in US Army doctrine, an obstacle has one of four effects, block, turn, fix, or disrupt. Typically, you use obstacles in engagement area development as part of a defense. An obstacle that's not observed isn't valuable because it's easy to circumvent. You can probably use a bulldozer (guessing, I was light infantry, not a tanker) to breach the dragon's teeth relatively quickly so the obstacle doesn't have the intended effect. However, it's much harder to breach the dragon's teeth if someone is shooting at you. Now you need an armored bulldozer, or enough suppressing fire to cover the breach.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoWhere is Marvin Heemeyer when you need him.
- gerdesj 4y agoSounds like a job for something like Python if they are unanchored. Or an AVRE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_Minefield_Breaching_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_Minefield_Breaching_Sys...
- Arrath 4y agoYou do have to be careful with these systems, they like to go boom: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1590087764070268928 https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1590087764070268928 Video description: Drone video of a Russian armored column advancing when a mine-clearing vehicle gets hit, suffers earth shattering kaboom when the mine-clearing charge goes up.
- shortstuffsushi 4y agoGot another link? This seems to have been deleted
- dandelany 4y agohttps://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1590218781447839744?s=46&t=PTXX4e2x3DVrr3vpWpP7cA https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/159021878144783974...
- pmontra 4y agoQuoted from the article > One of the best methods of overcoming these obstacles was by bulldozing soil over them. I also thought about it before that point. But > However, in many situations this was much easier said than done while under fire. I didn't consider this. I'm only a keyboard tactician.
- leshenka 4y agoI really don’t like talking about it but 22+ years of doing things for show (and stealing budget money) resulted in exactly this. Gotta show the grandpa the pretty picture. Grandpa loves war movies.