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Nearly all the road I cycle on were built before you were even born.

notacoward 4y ago
Built before you were born, maybe. I was born in 1965 and I've seen pictures of what my town was like back then. Even though the town itself is pretty old (being the birthplace of the American revolution and all) the particular section where I live was still mostly farmland. Even some of the main streets have been rebuilt, widened, or reconfigured for reasons other than wear and tear. That includes the town center, which was specifically widened for bike lanes. Do the millions of miles of roads for which these concerns apply not matter to you? Do you only care about the - possibly anomalous or even inaccurately portrayed - status of the roads immediately around you? Seems a bit callow to me.
- thwayunion 4y ago
  > I was born in 1965 Before you were born. Maintained, expanded, resurfaced, etc.? Sure. Almost entirely because of damage due to cars and weather. Also: hi, neighbor! Fewer that half of the dollars spent on roads in our commonwealth come from gas taxes [1]. If you're paying fewer than $200K in income taxes and/or don't pay massive property taxes, I'm almost certainly subsidizing your driving. And, even if you have, there are a huge number of MA drivers who don't make that much and benefit from spending on roads made possible by my contributions to the state's general funds. You're welcome :) > Seems a bit callow to me. Says the guy who's angry with people who find alternatives to consumption of a researouce whose current levels of consumption necessitate massive amounts of geopolitical violence. [1] https://pirg.org/massachusetts/resources/who-pays-for-roads/ https://pirg.org/massachusetts/resources/who-pays-for-roads/
  - notacoward 4y ago
    > Almost entirely because of damage due to cars and weather. Mostly weather, which doesn't care whether you're in a car or on a bike. > I'm almost certainly subsidizing your driving. I doubt that you've paid more in taxes than I have myself, so no. > Says the guy who's angry with people who find alternative I'm angry about no such thing, and it's not even reasonable to impute that from what I have said. The only thing angering me is fallacious reasoning and personal attacks.
    - thwayunion 4y ago
      > I doubt that you've paid more in taxes than I have myself, so no. Everyone pays taxes. Not every drives everywhere. And gas taxes/fees don't even come close to covering the total cost of our roads. Hell, I'd be surprised if gas taxes even cover the cost of petroleum dependency. You're welcome for the subsidy. > Grow the hell up Pot, meet kettle.

Built before you were born, maybe. I was born in 1965 and I've seen pictures of what my town was like back then. Even though the town itself is pretty old (being the birthplace of the American revolution and all) the particular section where I live was still mostly farmland. Even some of the main streets have been rebuilt, widened, or reconfigured for reasons other than wear and tear. That includes the town center, which was specifically widened for bike lanes. Do the millions of miles of roads for which these concerns apply not matter to you? Do you only care about the - possibly anomalous or even inaccurately portrayed - status of the roads immediately around you? Seems a bit callow to me.

thwayunion 4y ago
> I was born in 1965 Before you were born. Maintained, expanded, resurfaced, etc.? Sure. Almost entirely because of damage due to cars and weather. Also: hi, neighbor! Fewer that half of the dollars spent on roads in our commonwealth come from gas taxes [1]. If you're paying fewer than $200K in income taxes and/or don't pay massive property taxes, I'm almost certainly subsidizing your driving. And, even if you have, there are a huge number of MA drivers who don't make that much and benefit from spending on roads made possible by my contributions to the state's general funds. You're welcome :) > Seems a bit callow to me. Says the guy who's angry with people who find alternatives to consumption of a researouce whose current levels of consumption necessitate massive amounts of geopolitical violence. [1] https://pirg.org/massachusetts/resources/who-pays-for-roads/ https://pirg.org/massachusetts/resources/who-pays-for-roads/
- notacoward 4y ago
  > Almost entirely because of damage due to cars and weather. Mostly weather, which doesn't care whether you're in a car or on a bike. > I'm almost certainly subsidizing your driving. I doubt that you've paid more in taxes than I have myself, so no. > Says the guy who's angry with people who find alternative I'm angry about no such thing, and it's not even reasonable to impute that from what I have said. The only thing angering me is fallacious reasoning and personal attacks.
  - thwayunion 4y ago
    > I doubt that you've paid more in taxes than I have myself, so no. Everyone pays taxes. Not every drives everywhere. And gas taxes/fees don't even come close to covering the total cost of our roads. Hell, I'd be surprised if gas taxes even cover the cost of petroleum dependency. You're welcome for the subsidy. > Grow the hell up Pot, meet kettle.