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Isn’t edm the most general term that encompasses all these subgenres?

yamazakiwi 4y ago
Old-heads like to distinguish early electronic music genres because the term EDM didn't come along until much later thus Techno and Ambient being specified. if someone points it out I generally just say, we get it, you like neuro-funk jungle house and don't want it lumped in with other genres. In my experience "EDM" fans will skew more towards newer genre's of electronic music.
- attemptone 4y ago
  I know this is probably some off-hand joke. But do you know some tracks that combine jungle and house? Doesn't have to be old-school jungle but just some breaky beats.
  - radley 4y ago
    "True" jungle isn't very housey due to the heavy snares, but there's lots of housey drum & bass. Look for Hospital Records and explore out from there.
    - attemptone 4y ago
      Thanks :) Hospital has been a favorite of mine for years now. Although I haven't checked out what they released in recent times. PS: Just saw that there is a Bop x Subwave album going to be released. Kinda excited for that
  - yamazakiwi 4y ago
    I can't say I have ever heard that. This might sound weird but I think Phonk music is probably the closest you can get since Jungle and Phonk both use deep baselines and sample dub/hiphop as well as Phonk having a House-y bpm and driving bass kicks.
  - munificent 4y ago
    If you take house music and replace the drums with jungle-like off-timed rhythms but keep the same tempo, you more or less end up with electro.
  - jimlikeslimes 4y ago
    Here's some recent ones I've found Matt Mills - Cease and Desist (Original Mix) https://commatraxx.bandcamp.com/track/a2-cease-and-desist-original-mix https://commatraxx.bandcamp.com/track/a2-cease-and-desist-or... All Night In Heaven from All Night In Heaven EP by Bushwacka! https://bushwacka.bandcamp.com/track/all-night-in-heaven https://bushwacka.bandcamp.com/track/all-night-in-heaven Luca Lozano - No Rewinds from Homies At Work by Various Artists https://klassewrecks.bandcamp.com/track/no-rewinds https://klassewrecks.bandcamp.com/track/no-rewinds And an oldie that fits the bill from Grooverider: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOvZ-1FKTMM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOvZ-1FKTMM
    - comprev 4y ago
      Great tracks - thanks!
  - comprev 4y ago
    The Break Boys - My House Is Your House [0] Pyramid - Cruel [1] [0] https://www.discogs.com/master/39337-The-Break-Boys-Underground-Breakdown-My-House-Is-Your-House https://www.discogs.com/master/39337-The-Break-Boys-Undergro... [1] https://www.discogs.com/release/3969233-Pyramid-5-Ft-Julie-Thompson-The-140-EP-Part-2 https://www.discogs.com/release/3969233-Pyramid-5-Ft-Julie-T...
  - timc3 4y ago
    There was a bit of a trend in the UK over the last 12 to 18 months, to mix breakbeats and house. Early 90s house (particularly from Europe) used sub bass and breaks quite often before all the formulas got more settled. The trouble is the influences don’t quite match up very well between Jungle and House.
radley 4y ago
It's like bundling metal, rock, alternative, blues, country, and string quartets together as "guitar music." Old schoolers used the term electronica as the umbrella. But eventually electronica shifted to replace "IDM" (intelligent dance music) to mean very electronica-ish music. EDM became a term as EDM went mainstream, starting around 2010. It defines a specific range known for the commercially well-produced electro/progressive house, dubstep, & trap. From the outside, EDM is technically correct. But for insiders, we probably just say "dance music" or "electronic music" as the umbrella.
- iamacyborg 4y ago
  Dubstep, not to be confused with dubstep, which sounds substantially different.
glitcher 4y ago
Personally I just say "electronic music" as the generic term to reference any/all sub-genres. Anything more specific falls apart quickly - even the "d" in edm implies danceability, which neglects several sub-genres.
posterboy 4y ago
It is most common, yes. That doesn't make it an accurate description.
bambataa 4y ago
Electronic music has a naming problem. EDM is a specific subgenre of electronic music that became popular in the 2010s with Skrillex and those big mainstream American festivals. The most general term would be 'electronic music', or 'dance music', but not 'electronic dance music'. Similarly, if you say 'dubstep' to a person in the UK they would think of something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHRf9DNdkgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHRf9DNdkgY while an American would think of something terrible. (Good track for this discussion about bass, incidentally). 'Garage' is another one. Totally different genres in the UK and US.

Old-heads like to distinguish early electronic music genres because the term EDM didn't come along until much later thus Techno and Ambient being specified. if someone points it out I generally just say, we get it, you like neuro-funk jungle house and don't want it lumped in with other genres. In my experience "EDM" fans will skew more towards newer genre's of electronic music.

attemptone 4y ago
I know this is probably some off-hand joke. But do you know some tracks that combine jungle and house? Doesn't have to be old-school jungle but just some breaky beats.
- radley 4y ago
  "True" jungle isn't very housey due to the heavy snares, but there's lots of housey drum & bass. Look for Hospital Records and explore out from there.
  - attemptone 4y ago
    Thanks :) Hospital has been a favorite of mine for years now. Although I haven't checked out what they released in recent times. PS: Just saw that there is a Bop x Subwave album going to be released. Kinda excited for that
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  I can't say I have ever heard that. This might sound weird but I think Phonk music is probably the closest you can get since Jungle and Phonk both use deep baselines and sample dub/hiphop as well as Phonk having a House-y bpm and driving bass kicks.
- munificent 4y ago
  If you take house music and replace the drums with jungle-like off-timed rhythms but keep the same tempo, you more or less end up with electro.
- jimlikeslimes 4y ago
  Here's some recent ones I've found Matt Mills - Cease and Desist (Original Mix) https://commatraxx.bandcamp.com/track/a2-cease-and-desist-original-mix https://commatraxx.bandcamp.com/track/a2-cease-and-desist-or... All Night In Heaven from All Night In Heaven EP by Bushwacka! https://bushwacka.bandcamp.com/track/all-night-in-heaven https://bushwacka.bandcamp.com/track/all-night-in-heaven Luca Lozano - No Rewinds from Homies At Work by Various Artists https://klassewrecks.bandcamp.com/track/no-rewinds https://klassewrecks.bandcamp.com/track/no-rewinds And an oldie that fits the bill from Grooverider: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOvZ-1FKTMM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOvZ-1FKTMM
  - comprev 4y ago
    Great tracks - thanks!
- comprev 4y ago
  The Break Boys - My House Is Your House [0] Pyramid - Cruel [1] [0] https://www.discogs.com/master/39337-The-Break-Boys-Underground-Breakdown-My-House-Is-Your-House https://www.discogs.com/master/39337-The-Break-Boys-Undergro... [1] https://www.discogs.com/release/3969233-Pyramid-5-Ft-Julie-Thompson-The-140-EP-Part-2 https://www.discogs.com/release/3969233-Pyramid-5-Ft-Julie-T...
- timc3 4y ago
  There was a bit of a trend in the UK over the last 12 to 18 months, to mix breakbeats and house. Early 90s house (particularly from Europe) used sub bass and breaks quite often before all the formulas got more settled. The trouble is the influences don’t quite match up very well between Jungle and House.

radley 4y ago

It's like bundling metal, rock, alternative, blues, country, and string quartets together as "guitar music." Old schoolers used the term electronica as the umbrella. But eventually electronica shifted to replace "IDM" (intelligent dance music) to mean very electronica-ish music. EDM became a term as EDM went mainstream, starting around 2010. It defines a specific range known for the commercially well-produced electro/progressive house, dubstep, & trap. From the outside, EDM is technically correct. But for insiders, we probably just say "dance music" or "electronic music" as the umbrella.

iamacyborg 4y ago
Dubstep, not to be confused with dubstep, which sounds substantially different.

glitcher 4y ago

Personally I just say "electronic music" as the generic term to reference any/all sub-genres. Anything more specific falls apart quickly - even the "d" in edm implies danceability, which neglects several sub-genres.

posterboy 4y ago

It is most common, yes. That doesn't make it an accurate description.

bambataa 4y ago

Electronic music has a naming problem. EDM is a specific subgenre of electronic music that became popular in the 2010s with Skrillex and those big mainstream American festivals. The most general term would be 'electronic music', or 'dance music', but not 'electronic dance music'. Similarly, if you say 'dubstep' to a person in the UK they would think of something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHRf9DNdkgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHRf9DNdkgY while an American would think of something terrible. (Good track for this discussion about bass, incidentally). 'Garage' is another one. Totally different genres in the UK and US.