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The ones which Russia is now deploying in Ukraine don't appear to be anchored in the ground, just laid on top of it - you can just push them away with a bulldoz
by 323 4y ago
The ones which Russia is now deploying in Ukraine don't appear to be anchored in the ground, just laid on top of it - you can just push them away with a bulldozer or a group of people.
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y agoOr drag them out of the way with... a tank.
- 6stringmerc 4y agoSomething something OSS 'easy field sabotage manual' and "Screw this I didn't want to be here in the first place" fatigue...
- ASalazarMX 4y agoI was wondering if firing at the teeth would be a good tactic. Even a space one tank wide would make a big difference.
- Moru 4y agoIf you know the exact location a tank will be in at a certain time, the term "sitting duck" comes to mind. There is nothing effektive to stop a human that wants to get from point A to point B. Except for another human.
- kazinator 4y agoBut imagine there were other obstacles interspersed among them: barbed wire, landmines. The Wikipedia article mentions tactics like that.
- tedmcory77 4y agoFormer infantry here - One of the things that was drilled into my head, obstacles should always be covered by fire to deter these sorts of things. If you can't cover it by fire, then maybe it's not worth putting on obstacle on.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y agoBased on what we've seen in Ukraine so far, I have absolutely no expectations.
- favorited 4y agoI saw a video of a Russian tank approaching an anti-tank mine sitting in the middle of the road, and they just... drove over it, causing detonation. It wasn't camouflaged at all, it was just sitting there. I'm not sure what the soldiers in the tank expected. Maybe they missed the "don't drive over obvious mines" day in tank school.
- codenesium 4y agoProbably thought it was the run over and blow up kind not the kind with a magnet.
- watwut 4y agoTanks don't have all that great visibility, soldiers sleep a little in bad conditions, often eat a little + crappy food and are under high stress. Triple so in Russian army by all accounts I read. Drivers in cars in best conditions fail to notice things, so it is not all that surprising that Russian army soldier would not notice things.
- pfdietz 4y agoI wonder how many fake mines had also been placed on the roads.
- ddoolin 4y agoBy fire do you mean weapon fire? Sorry, maybe it's obvious but my brain keeps jumping to literal fire.
- HonestOp001 4y agoCorrect, weapon’s fire.
- DeWilde 4y agoSource on that?
- 323 4y agoVideo of them being installed. At 0:17 sec it's clear they are just laid down: https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1580011095573827585 https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1580011095573827585
- ok_dad 4y agoRight next to trenches where they can be pushed into and covered in dirt. I would laugh if it weren't for the fact that people are dying to these clowns.
- dmix 4y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/ycj5zl/its_even_worse_than_any_of_us_suspected/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/ycj5zl/...
- ancientworldnow 4y agoThe video in question is a kill zone intended to be covered by fire. The obstacles only need to impede movement. If you stop to remove them, you will get destroyed (if the plan holds).
- TheOtherHobbes 4y agoThe defensive line is very long and it's going to be impossible to cover it with fire. So the dragon's teeth are really just for show. There's something very, very seriously wrong with the Russian military. Although that's really not a bad thing as far as Ukraine and the West are concerned.
- pmontra 4y agoWagner group built that defensive line. Their leader might have political goals, maybe eventually succeed to Putin (which is 70.) Those lines, especially the one in Russia, could have little military meaning but a lot of political one.
- squarefoot 4y agoAlso if they don't actively defend them, the advantage won't last much; a few wooden boards placed vertically around a small area and a single truck pouring rocks and concrete over it can build a small bridge that would dry in a few days, unless the Ukrainians already have moveable tank capable bridges.
- H8crilA 4y ago> unless the Ukrainians already have moveable tank capable bridges I am pretty sure they've had them for a long time, not least because they did multiple river crossings, many successful. Their army is quite capable, and was already quite capable prior to the post-February wave of foreign support. For example in the air defense department, as far as Europe goes they were only second to Russia (though the missiles are starting to run out). Ukraine was deeply integrated into the USSR and even Russian military industrial complex - shipbuilding (after Moskva sank the remaining best ships in the Black Sea Fleet are made in Ukraine, Mykolaiv I think), engines (both turbojet/turbofan and rocket), whole aircraft manufacturing (Antonov), assembly of armored vehicles ... The lead designer of R-7, the first serious space rocket and the reason why Russians think they won the space race, was a Ukrainian.
- hoseja 4y agoAlso known as cope triangles in this case.