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What's the name for completely ignoring stop signs and red lights altogether, which seems to be standard for many cyclists?

layer8 4y ago
Frequency illusion, salience bias, and confirmation bias.
avianlyric 4y ago
Staying safe and away from drivers who don’t pay attention, and occasional deliberately try to mame and kill cyclists?
- BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
  >”and occasional deliberately try to mame and kill cyclists?” That seems more than a little hyperbolic, no? Road rage is real, but I don’t think there are drivers who are actively and deliberately trying to maim or murder bicyclists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_erro...
  - mbauman 4y ago
    Nah, mostly just trying to scare them and put them in their place. https://www.bikelaw.com/2017/07/punishment-pass-defined/ https://www.bikelaw.com/2017/07/punishment-pass-defined/
  - dropofwill 4y ago
    Perhaps, but there are plenty of examples of people being convicted for murder because they hit and killed cyclists. If it's good enough for the legal system... At any rate when they shout at you, roll coal, swerve to force you off the road their intentions are clearly not good.
  - avianlyric 4y ago
    You can tell that to all the drivers that have actively forced me into the curb, or into the side parked cars, or have pulled alongside and yelled at me etc. Seems many drivers don’t see people on bikes a humans, and behave accordingly.
  - Jochim 4y ago
    Based on a very quick search, there are absolutely drivers who are actively and deliberately trying to maim and murder bicyclists. It actually seems much more common than I thought it would be: > A driver who told a cyclist “I’m going to kill you” before ramming him with his car has been jailed for 10 months after being found guilty of dangerous driving. https://road.cc/content/news/driver-who-deliberately-rammed-cyclist-car-jailed-294611 https://road.cc/content/news/driver-who-deliberately-rammed-... > A CYCLIST with cancer who was cornered by a driver before being beaten for ‘no reason’ was left ‘furious’, saying: ‘I could have been killed.’ https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/hayling-island-cyclist-with-cancer-beaten-by-bmw-driver-for-no-reason-says-i-could-have-been-killed-as-judge-rips-into-attacker-3899691 https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/hayling-island-cycli... > This person passed a cyclist and then drove off the road intentionally onto the shoulder and into two other cyclists and possibly accelerated while doing that https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-driver-accused-of-intentionally-hitting-two-cyclists-critically-injuring-one-still-at-large/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-driver-accused-of-inte... An older video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7oskFsHSMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7oskFsHSMs > The driver, Marshall Grant Neely III, who is the dean of students at University School of Nashville continues to deny his responsibility for slamming into the cyclist and sending him to hospital. The video of him hitting the cyclist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqthN_UjG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqthN_UjG0 > Neely responded “No there are bikes all over the place. I didn’t see him…I feel very badly for the gentleman who collided with me and I assume we’ll see each other in court,” he continued adding that he does not think he is a bad man. https://www.granfondoguide.com/Contents/Index/2920/shocking-moment-volvo-driver-intentionally-hits-cyclist https://www.granfondoguide.com/Contents/Index/2920/shocking-...
    - hooverd 4y ago
      Unfortunately, a subset of cyclists users the bad behavior of drivers as an excuse to be rude to pedestrians.
      - avianlyric 4y ago
        An entirely separate and unrelated issue which is very poor justification for murder.
qubex 4y ago
They call it ‘cycling’. I saw a woman on a bike in my native Milan do it just yesterday: brazenly pedalled through a red light onto a roundabout on the inner ring-road, almost ran over me and my dog as we crossed the street on a zebra crossing with a green light. Swore at us for having the temerity for forcing her to swerve to avoid hitting us. I’m a hardcore pedestrian (walk everywhere, 20/30 km a day every day) and I am so fed up of this kind of behaviour. They complain and they misbehave.
- Tade0 4y ago
  Walking is underrated. Multiple times I had people express utter bafflement over the fact that I walked to the city centre from my place, which is a distance of... 4km. I used to live in Bologna where for the first time in my life I saw a cyclist start crossing on a red light, going over a total of 4 lanes in high traffic. Meanwhile in my current city the authorities appear to promote cycling because it draws attention away from the sorry state of public transport, with frequent tram derailings. Unfortunately they occasionally lump cyclists and pedestrians together in the process, degrading my walking experience considerably.
throw0101a 4y ago
Probably same thing for drivers that roll through stop signs. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM
- josephcsible 4y ago
  Are you equating blowing through a stop sign at full speed with coming almost but not completely to a stop?
  - throw0101a 4y ago
    I'm equating breaking the law with breaking the law. And as a pedestrian (and bicyclist and motorcyclist and driver) I'd rather take my chances with a Giant-brand mountain bike versus a giant-sized Chevy Tahoe.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      > I'm equating breaking the law with breaking the law. Is jaywalking as bad as murder?
      - throw0101a 4y ago
        Jaywalking is not an offence at all in my jurisdiction. ;)
tomatotomato37 4y ago
The same name for when that cyclist is ignoring stop signs and turns signals while driving his Audi: "Asshole"
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II2II 4y ago
> which seems to be standard for many cyclists? I keep seeing this claim, but I rarely see it in reality. I've seen two cyclists go through red lights in the past decade. Cyclists ignoring or coming to a rolling stop at stop signs is more common, though those who do it are still in the minority. Perhaps cyclists behave differently in my area. Perhaps it is because I am on the road during the commute, so I'm seeing more experience cyclists. Yet I find both excuses to be a bit of a stretch. Someone above said it well: the greatest risk to a cyclist is themselves. That is certainly true for interactions with automobiles. What a lot of people fail to realize is that's even true for interactions with pedestrians or even the road surface itself (e.g. if a cyclist hits a pedestrian, the risk of injury is about the same for both parties). Cyclists aren't motorists on two wheels. They only have minimal protection and have to acutely aware of their own safety when making decisions.
- qubex 4y ago
  I saw it yesterday, and it remained stuck in my mind because the perpetrator almost mowed my dog and I down while we crossed the street on a zebra crossing with a green light. I probably saw it the day before. I expect to see it tomorrow. It’s like every bloody time.
  - II2II 4y ago
    I am not saying it doesn't happen, yet there seems to be this attitude out there that says most (or even all) cyclists do X. I am pointing out that this is both prejudiced and does not reflect the reality that cyclists have to be acutely aware of safety. Or maybe cyclists are immortal. I've certainly seen a few situations where I've seen a cyclist do something, then was wondering how they managed to survive. That said, I view it as a cyclist with a death with rather than something that cyclists do.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  >I keep seeing this claim, but I rarely see it in reality If you were a crappy driver that didn't "get" how traffic worked and thought everything on the roads should follow the law like a robot you would "see" these instances far more often because you would misidentify "perfectly fine and predictably but not technically legal" behavior as egregious violations. In reality 99x/100 (probably more) a <anything> ignores a light it's done in a situation where that behavior is obviously fine. Your eyes may see it but you don't remember it as memorable because it fits your mental model of how traffic is expected to act.

layer8 4y ago

Frequency illusion, salience bias, and confirmation bias.

avianlyric 4y ago

Staying safe and away from drivers who don’t pay attention, and occasional deliberately try to mame and kill cyclists?

BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
>”and occasional deliberately try to mame and kill cyclists?” That seems more than a little hyperbolic, no? Road rage is real, but I don’t think there are drivers who are actively and deliberately trying to maim or murder bicyclists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_erro...
- mbauman 4y ago
  Nah, mostly just trying to scare them and put them in their place. https://www.bikelaw.com/2017/07/punishment-pass-defined/ https://www.bikelaw.com/2017/07/punishment-pass-defined/
- dropofwill 4y ago
  Perhaps, but there are plenty of examples of people being convicted for murder because they hit and killed cyclists. If it's good enough for the legal system... At any rate when they shout at you, roll coal, swerve to force you off the road their intentions are clearly not good.
- avianlyric 4y ago
  You can tell that to all the drivers that have actively forced me into the curb, or into the side parked cars, or have pulled alongside and yelled at me etc. Seems many drivers don’t see people on bikes a humans, and behave accordingly.
- Jochim 4y ago
  Based on a very quick search, there are absolutely drivers who are actively and deliberately trying to maim and murder bicyclists. It actually seems much more common than I thought it would be: > A driver who told a cyclist “I’m going to kill you” before ramming him with his car has been jailed for 10 months after being found guilty of dangerous driving. https://road.cc/content/news/driver-who-deliberately-rammed-cyclist-car-jailed-294611 https://road.cc/content/news/driver-who-deliberately-rammed-... > A CYCLIST with cancer who was cornered by a driver before being beaten for ‘no reason’ was left ‘furious’, saying: ‘I could have been killed.’ https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/hayling-island-cyclist-with-cancer-beaten-by-bmw-driver-for-no-reason-says-i-could-have-been-killed-as-judge-rips-into-attacker-3899691 https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/hayling-island-cycli... > This person passed a cyclist and then drove off the road intentionally onto the shoulder and into two other cyclists and possibly accelerated while doing that https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-driver-accused-of-intentionally-hitting-two-cyclists-critically-injuring-one-still-at-large/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-driver-accused-of-inte... An older video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7oskFsHSMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7oskFsHSMs > The driver, Marshall Grant Neely III, who is the dean of students at University School of Nashville continues to deny his responsibility for slamming into the cyclist and sending him to hospital. The video of him hitting the cyclist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqthN_UjG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqthN_UjG0 > Neely responded “No there are bikes all over the place. I didn’t see him…I feel very badly for the gentleman who collided with me and I assume we’ll see each other in court,” he continued adding that he does not think he is a bad man. https://www.granfondoguide.com/Contents/Index/2920/shocking-moment-volvo-driver-intentionally-hits-cyclist https://www.granfondoguide.com/Contents/Index/2920/shocking-...
  - hooverd 4y ago
    Unfortunately, a subset of cyclists users the bad behavior of drivers as an excuse to be rude to pedestrians.
    - avianlyric 4y ago
      An entirely separate and unrelated issue which is very poor justification for murder.

qubex 4y ago

They call it ‘cycling’. I saw a woman on a bike in my native Milan do it just yesterday: brazenly pedalled through a red light onto a roundabout on the inner ring-road, almost ran over me and my dog as we crossed the street on a zebra crossing with a green light. Swore at us for having the temerity for forcing her to swerve to avoid hitting us. I’m a hardcore pedestrian (walk everywhere, 20/30 km a day every day) and I am so fed up of this kind of behaviour. They complain and they misbehave.

Tade0 4y ago
Walking is underrated. Multiple times I had people express utter bafflement over the fact that I walked to the city centre from my place, which is a distance of... 4km. I used to live in Bologna where for the first time in my life I saw a cyclist start crossing on a red light, going over a total of 4 lanes in high traffic. Meanwhile in my current city the authorities appear to promote cycling because it draws attention away from the sorry state of public transport, with frequent tram derailings. Unfortunately they occasionally lump cyclists and pedestrians together in the process, degrading my walking experience considerably.

throw0101a 4y ago

Probably same thing for drivers that roll through stop signs. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM

josephcsible 4y ago
Are you equating blowing through a stop sign at full speed with coming almost but not completely to a stop?
- throw0101a 4y ago
  I'm equating breaking the law with breaking the law. And as a pedestrian (and bicyclist and motorcyclist and driver) I'd rather take my chances with a Giant-brand mountain bike versus a giant-sized Chevy Tahoe.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > I'm equating breaking the law with breaking the law. Is jaywalking as bad as murder?
    - throw0101a 4y ago
      Jaywalking is not an offence at all in my jurisdiction. ;)

tomatotomato37 4y ago

The same name for when that cyclist is ignoring stop signs and turns signals while driving his Audi: "Asshole"

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II2II 4y ago

> which seems to be standard for many cyclists? I keep seeing this claim, but I rarely see it in reality. I've seen two cyclists go through red lights in the past decade. Cyclists ignoring or coming to a rolling stop at stop signs is more common, though those who do it are still in the minority. Perhaps cyclists behave differently in my area. Perhaps it is because I am on the road during the commute, so I'm seeing more experience cyclists. Yet I find both excuses to be a bit of a stretch. Someone above said it well: the greatest risk to a cyclist is themselves. That is certainly true for interactions with automobiles. What a lot of people fail to realize is that's even true for interactions with pedestrians or even the road surface itself (e.g. if a cyclist hits a pedestrian, the risk of injury is about the same for both parties). Cyclists aren't motorists on two wheels. They only have minimal protection and have to acutely aware of their own safety when making decisions.

qubex 4y ago
I saw it yesterday, and it remained stuck in my mind because the perpetrator almost mowed my dog and I down while we crossed the street on a zebra crossing with a green light. I probably saw it the day before. I expect to see it tomorrow. It’s like every bloody time.
- II2II 4y ago
  I am not saying it doesn't happen, yet there seems to be this attitude out there that says most (or even all) cyclists do X. I am pointing out that this is both prejudiced and does not reflect the reality that cyclists have to be acutely aware of safety. Or maybe cyclists are immortal. I've certainly seen a few situations where I've seen a cyclist do something, then was wondering how they managed to survive. That said, I view it as a cyclist with a death with rather than something that cyclists do.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>I keep seeing this claim, but I rarely see it in reality If you were a crappy driver that didn't "get" how traffic worked and thought everything on the roads should follow the law like a robot you would "see" these instances far more often because you would misidentify "perfectly fine and predictably but not technically legal" behavior as egregious violations. In reality 99x/100 (probably more) a <anything> ignores a light it's done in a situation where that behavior is obviously fine. Your eyes may see it but you don't remember it as memorable because it fits your mental model of how traffic is expected to act.