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Hey there. In Android, is there a requirement or any kind of dependency on Google Play Services? Also, do notifications work when the Ntfy app is in the backgro

by idop 4y ago

Hey there. In Android, is there a requirement or any kind of dependency on Google Play Services? Also, do notifications work when the Ntfy app is in the background? Do I need to disable battery optimizations for it? Thanks!

daedric7 4y ago
No, you can download the app from F-droid. There's no dependency on Google services, although the app can use them if available.
coldacid 4y ago
Given that the ntfy Android app is available through F-Droid, I strongly doubt that Google Play Services is used at all.
- danuker 4y ago
  I suspect the F-Droid version might have delays. There are various issues when avoiding Firebase. There is no way to fulfill all of these: - avoid Google servers - preserve battery - show timely notifications https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-android/issues/82 https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-android/issues/82
  - binwiederhier 4y ago
    This is incorrect (at least in my experience). Firebase/FCM is significantly slower in delivering messages than the non-Firebase version (WebSockets or JSON stream, longstanding connection). It was actually mindboggling to me how slow Firebase is in delivering messages (especially when the phone is in doze mode).
    - akvadrako 4y ago
      But what kind of battery impact do you get leaving a long-running connection open?
      - binwiederhier 4y ago
        Depends on your usage. For me it's around 1% for the entire day: https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#how-much-battery-does-the-android-app-use https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#how-much-battery-does-the-android-...
binwiederhier 4y ago
The Google Play services question is answered here: https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#why-is-firebase-used https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#why-is-firebase-used And yes, you need to disable battery optimization if you don't want to use Firebase. On my phone it uses 1% battery in a full day (17h).
- jsiepkes 4y ago
  Even if you disable battery optimization it's going to depend on your phone if it will actually honor it (and not kill the app). This site: https://dontkillmyapp.com/ https://dontkillmyapp.com/ shows which phones behave correctly.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    And if you change the settings that will make your phone behave nicely it often severely impacts battery life ;/
    - binwiederhier 4y ago
      We've done some battery work a couple of months ago and since then I've not really had any complaints from the thousands of users, so I think overall it's working. Every now and then there is some oddball phone that keeps killing connections and such, but it's very very rare. I think we've optimized it to the best of what's possible at the moment.

by idop 4y ago

daedric7 4y ago

No, you can download the app from F-droid. There's no dependency on Google services, although the app can use them if available.

coldacid 4y ago

Given that the ntfy Android app is available through F-Droid, I strongly doubt that Google Play Services is used at all.

danuker 4y ago
I suspect the F-Droid version might have delays. There are various issues when avoiding Firebase. There is no way to fulfill all of these: - avoid Google servers - preserve battery - show timely notifications https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-android/issues/82 https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-android/issues/82
- binwiederhier 4y ago
  This is incorrect (at least in my experience). Firebase/FCM is significantly slower in delivering messages than the non-Firebase version (WebSockets or JSON stream, longstanding connection). It was actually mindboggling to me how slow Firebase is in delivering messages (especially when the phone is in doze mode).
  - akvadrako 4y ago
    But what kind of battery impact do you get leaving a long-running connection open?
    - binwiederhier 4y ago
      Depends on your usage. For me it's around 1% for the entire day: https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#how-much-battery-does-the-android-app-use https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#how-much-battery-does-the-android-...

binwiederhier 4y ago

The Google Play services question is answered here: https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#why-is-firebase-used https://ntfy.sh/docs/faq/#why-is-firebase-used And yes, you need to disable battery optimization if you don't want to use Firebase. On my phone it uses 1% battery in a full day (17h).

jsiepkes 4y ago
Even if you disable battery optimization it's going to depend on your phone if it will actually honor it (and not kill the app). This site: https://dontkillmyapp.com/ https://dontkillmyapp.com/ shows which phones behave correctly.
- ilyt 4y ago
  And if you change the settings that will make your phone behave nicely it often severely impacts battery life ;/
  - binwiederhier 4y ago
    We've done some battery work a couple of months ago and since then I've not really had any complaints from the thousands of users, so I think overall it's working. Every now and then there is some oddball phone that keeps killing connections and such, but it's very very rare. I think we've optimized it to the best of what's possible at the moment.