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But the rest of that sentence is “.. unless your machine is slightly older in which case just throw it in the Bin and drop another $2k on a new one like it’s no

But the rest of that sentence is “.. unless your machine is slightly older in which case just throw it in the Bin and drop another $2k on a new one like it’s no big deal.”

chrisseaton 4y ago
Run a different operating system, or run it air-gapped, or sell the machine back to Apple and let them recycle it. I don't know why you'd choose to 'throw it in the bin' that's insane. I think it's pretty great how Apple will buy back my laptop from me for 1/4 the price after a few years. Other manufacturers don't seem to do that.
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- dividedbyzero 4y ago
  Weird, last time I checked I was quoted 300-ish Euros on a >3000 Euro Intel MBP from 2020 in good condition, still getting updates and probably will keep getting them for years to come.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > in good condition, still getting updates and probably will keep getting them for years to come Lol so what is the problem? Why would you bin it?
    - dividedbyzero 4y ago
      > Lol so what is the problem? Apple's offer after two years is a lot less than the quarter of the retail price that was mentioned by parent and will probably be much worse still by the time they deprecate them. Just not as attractive an option as parent made it seem, at least for me if I wanted to get rid of it.
    - highwaylights 4y ago
      I get that you’re saying it shouldn’t literally be thrown in the bin - but your argument is utterly terrible. Getting an offer of 10% of the purchase price to buy back a laptop after two years is offensive.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        I can’t understand being offended by buying a laptop with a pretty well-known maintenance policy. If it wasn’t the right purchase for you that’s a fault in your research and you shouldn’t be offended by it.
      - lxgr 4y ago
        We are talking about the end of life (in terms of no longer receiving macOS updates) here, right? That timeframe is much longer than two years.
- blowski 4y ago
  I'm with you on this. You've got to choose between price, performance, flexibility, maintainability, upgradability, reliability, etc. These are the trade-offs you make. When people "why is this still a thing?" sometimes it sounds like they're asking "why do I have to make trade-offs at all?" which really doesn't make any sense.
acdha 4y ago
Not in any factual universe. Those systems will see close to a decade of support - more than long enough for the usable service life of the hardware in many cases and certainly not out of line with the competition. The difference is just that you are expected to update the OS multiple times over that period.
- highwaylights 4y ago
  The point of the thread is that they won’t see anywhere close to a decade of support at all, and that any OS older than the latest released version will get some updates if it isn’t too complicated.
  - acdha 4y ago
    Not backporting every feature is not the same as being unsupported. Ask what worked on your machine when you bought it which no longer works with the n-1 release version of the APFS driver? It is interesting to look at what changes between releases, which is why blog posts like this get attention but it’s not a problem report - notice how there isn’t anyone saying something like “I took an external drive and it didn’t work on my 2013 Mac?”

But the rest of that sentence is “.. unless your machine is slightly older in which case just throw it in the Bin and drop another $2k on a new one like it’s no big deal.”

chrisseaton 4y ago

Run a different operating system, or run it air-gapped, or sell the machine back to Apple and let them recycle it. I don't know why you'd choose to 'throw it in the bin' that's insane. I think it's pretty great how Apple will buy back my laptop from me for 1/4 the price after a few years. Other manufacturers don't seem to do that.

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dividedbyzero 4y ago
Weird, last time I checked I was quoted 300-ish Euros on a >3000 Euro Intel MBP from 2020 in good condition, still getting updates and probably will keep getting them for years to come.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > in good condition, still getting updates and probably will keep getting them for years to come Lol so what is the problem? Why would you bin it?
  - dividedbyzero 4y ago
    > Lol so what is the problem? Apple's offer after two years is a lot less than the quarter of the retail price that was mentioned by parent and will probably be much worse still by the time they deprecate them. Just not as attractive an option as parent made it seem, at least for me if I wanted to get rid of it.
  - highwaylights 4y ago
    I get that you’re saying it shouldn’t literally be thrown in the bin - but your argument is utterly terrible. Getting an offer of 10% of the purchase price to buy back a laptop after two years is offensive.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      I can’t understand being offended by buying a laptop with a pretty well-known maintenance policy. If it wasn’t the right purchase for you that’s a fault in your research and you shouldn’t be offended by it.
    - lxgr 4y ago
      We are talking about the end of life (in terms of no longer receiving macOS updates) here, right? That timeframe is much longer than two years.
blowski 4y ago
I'm with you on this. You've got to choose between price, performance, flexibility, maintainability, upgradability, reliability, etc. These are the trade-offs you make. When people "why is this still a thing?" sometimes it sounds like they're asking "why do I have to make trade-offs at all?" which really doesn't make any sense.

acdha 4y ago

Not in any factual universe. Those systems will see close to a decade of support - more than long enough for the usable service life of the hardware in many cases and certainly not out of line with the competition. The difference is just that you are expected to update the OS multiple times over that period.

highwaylights 4y ago
The point of the thread is that they won’t see anywhere close to a decade of support at all, and that any OS older than the latest released version will get some updates if it isn’t too complicated.
- acdha 4y ago
  Not backporting every feature is not the same as being unsupported. Ask what worked on your machine when you bought it which no longer works with the n-1 release version of the APFS driver? It is interesting to look at what changes between releases, which is why blog posts like this get attention but it’s not a problem report - notice how there isn’t anyone saying something like “I took an external drive and it didn’t work on my 2013 Mac?”