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The main problem with modern bikes is the cost is way too high. Every time I buy a new bike (every 4-5 years), the cost goes up about $3K. I'll likely pay $10K

The main problem with modern bikes is the cost is way too high. Every time I buy a new bike (every 4-5 years), the cost goes up about $3K. I'll likely pay $10K for my next one.

Hamuko 4y ago
That sounds like a you problem.
- osigurdson 4y ago
  I think it could be a problem for manufacturers as well. People will eventually get tired of getting ripped off and switch sports.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Bikes aren't for "sports", they're for everyday transportation.
    - osigurdson 4y ago
      I don't have such strong opinions about how bikes (or other products) should be used. I'm curious, what informed your ideology? Why is the bike such a sacred cow for you?
      - midoridensha 4y ago
        You're projecting. Why do you have such a strong opinion about how bikes should be used?
        osigurdson 4y ago
        >> Bikes aren't for "sports", they're for everyday transportation That is your comment. I have no opinion whatsoever regarding how bikes should be used.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        >>People will eventually get tired of getting ripped off and switch sports. That is your comment. You obviously DO have an opinion on how bikes should be used.
        osigurdson 4y ago
        I have an opinion on the pricing of higher end mountain bikes - I wish they were less expensive. I don't have an opinion on how they (or any bike) are used - bank robbery notwithstanding. You stated that bikes should only be used for transportation. Suggest reviewing the following links regarding argument construction, how to avoid fallacies, etc. https://www.oxford-royale.com/articles/construct-compelling-argument/ https://www.oxford-royale.com/articles/construct-compelling-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
hvdm 4y ago
That is your choice. As long as people are paying more, there will be a supply of more expensive bikes.
- osigurdson 4y ago
  Competition should theoretically drive prices down, but this hasn't happened.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Yes, it has. There's tons of bikes for $200-$4000. If you're only looking at $10k bikes, that's your problem and it's to be expected that prices will be ridiculously high. This is exactly like complaining that Rolls Royces are too expensive.
bsimpson 4y ago
I just spot checked a bike (Salsa Fargo). Was $1750 in 2012 and is $2650 now. I didn't compare the components to see if they are fancier than they used to be. At a very cursory glance, looks like the price is up 50% in 10 years.
midoridensha 4y ago
That problem is only in your head, and it sounds like someone complaining that iPhones and Ferraris are too expensive. I recently bought a perfectly nice hybrid bike (with disc brakes too) for less than USD$1000.
- osigurdson 4y ago
  Ownership rates of iPhones are very different from Ferarris. I'm sure there is a logical fallacy in this argument somewhere.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    They're both luxury brands.
    - osigurdson 4y ago
      I’m mostly interested in quantitative metrics. The term “luxury” is very subjective. Perhaps some bubblegum brands could be considered luxury. 2.2B iPhones have been manufactured since 2007 while there are 65K Ferraris. That is one Ferrari for every 33K iPhones. That is significant enough to not group them together to make a point in an argument.
matsemann 4y ago
Eh, someone will probably smoke you on their $1k bike. You gain literally nothing for the more expensive bikes except a few grams of weight savings here and there.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  >You gain literally nothing for the more expensive bikes You do if they come with a beefy motor strapped to them.
- osigurdson 4y ago
  Anyone who mountain bikes regularly on more difficult trails will end up riding a bike that costs at least $5K. You can argue that it isn't necessary but the majority of riders would definitely disagree with you. I've never seen a $1K bike on such trails. Of course, if you just need a commuter bike that can easily be had for $1K. Of course no one really needs anything - one could just run and save the $1K.
  - matsemann 4y ago
    Then you're talking about a niche, not related to any meaningful percentage of bicycle use.
    - osigurdson 4y ago
      That depends on the region. In western US / Canada it is not niche. Globally, however it probably is.

The main problem with modern bikes is the cost is way too high. Every time I buy a new bike (every 4-5 years), the cost goes up about $3K. I'll likely pay $10K for my next one.

Hamuko 4y ago

That sounds like a you problem.

osigurdson 4y ago
I think it could be a problem for manufacturers as well. People will eventually get tired of getting ripped off and switch sports.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Bikes aren't for "sports", they're for everyday transportation.
  - osigurdson 4y ago
    I don't have such strong opinions about how bikes (or other products) should be used. I'm curious, what informed your ideology? Why is the bike such a sacred cow for you?
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      You're projecting. Why do you have such a strong opinion about how bikes should be used?
      - osigurdson 4y ago
        >> Bikes aren't for "sports", they're for everyday transportation That is your comment. I have no opinion whatsoever regarding how bikes should be used.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        >>People will eventually get tired of getting ripped off and switch sports. That is your comment. You obviously DO have an opinion on how bikes should be used.
        osigurdson 4y ago
        I have an opinion on the pricing of higher end mountain bikes - I wish they were less expensive. I don't have an opinion on how they (or any bike) are used - bank robbery notwithstanding. You stated that bikes should only be used for transportation. Suggest reviewing the following links regarding argument construction, how to avoid fallacies, etc. https://www.oxford-royale.com/articles/construct-compelling-argument/ https://www.oxford-royale.com/articles/construct-compelling-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

hvdm 4y ago

That is your choice. As long as people are paying more, there will be a supply of more expensive bikes.

osigurdson 4y ago
Competition should theoretically drive prices down, but this hasn't happened.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Yes, it has. There's tons of bikes for $200-$4000. If you're only looking at $10k bikes, that's your problem and it's to be expected that prices will be ridiculously high. This is exactly like complaining that Rolls Royces are too expensive.

bsimpson 4y ago

I just spot checked a bike (Salsa Fargo). Was $1750 in 2012 and is $2650 now. I didn't compare the components to see if they are fancier than they used to be. At a very cursory glance, looks like the price is up 50% in 10 years.

midoridensha 4y ago

That problem is only in your head, and it sounds like someone complaining that iPhones and Ferraris are too expensive. I recently bought a perfectly nice hybrid bike (with disc brakes too) for less than USD$1000.

osigurdson 4y ago
Ownership rates of iPhones are very different from Ferarris. I'm sure there is a logical fallacy in this argument somewhere.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  They're both luxury brands.
  - osigurdson 4y ago
    I’m mostly interested in quantitative metrics. The term “luxury” is very subjective. Perhaps some bubblegum brands could be considered luxury. 2.2B iPhones have been manufactured since 2007 while there are 65K Ferraris. That is one Ferrari for every 33K iPhones. That is significant enough to not group them together to make a point in an argument.

matsemann 4y ago

Eh, someone will probably smoke you on their $1k bike. You gain literally nothing for the more expensive bikes except a few grams of weight savings here and there.

Hamuko 4y ago
>You gain literally nothing for the more expensive bikes You do if they come with a beefy motor strapped to them.
osigurdson 4y ago
Anyone who mountain bikes regularly on more difficult trails will end up riding a bike that costs at least $5K. You can argue that it isn't necessary but the majority of riders would definitely disagree with you. I've never seen a $1K bike on such trails. Of course, if you just need a commuter bike that can easily be had for $1K. Of course no one really needs anything - one could just run and save the $1K.
- matsemann 4y ago
  Then you're talking about a niche, not related to any meaningful percentage of bicycle use.
  - osigurdson 4y ago
    That depends on the region. In western US / Canada it is not niche. Globally, however it probably is.