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The reason why you think it happens less often is because the US declassifies its foreign activities after a long delay, at which point we have government admis

by rsj_hn 4y ago

The reason why you think it happens less often is because the US declassifies its foreign activities after a long delay, at which point we have government admissions of what was done. Until then, we have only media reports that are labelled as conspiracy theories, etc. But US was certainly behind a wave of color revolutions that just happened to occur in many of the former Soviet Republics and just happened to install pro-US governments that adopted anti-Russian policies (when successful). There is a whole book written about it: https://www.routledge.com/The-Colour-Revolutions-in-the-Former-Soviet-Republics-Successes-and-Failures/Beachain-Polese/p/book/9780415625470 https://www.routledge.com/The-Colour-Revolutions-in-the-Form... The US was also behind the "Arab Spring" revolts that spread chaos to the Arab world (but not much democracy), as well as periodically stoking revolts in Iran. For some reason, there are a huge number of well armed foreign men murdering police in Iran in the name of women's rights, when Saudi Arabia or the other gulf states aren't exactly known for women's rights, but strangely have had no similar movements. I wonder why that is. In Southeast Asia, the US is funding violent groups in Myanmar that have been killing school teachers, hospital employees, emergency workers, police, etc in an attempt to overthrow the junta and replace it with a government in exile that is headquartered in Virginia. In Pakistan, the US is funding Baluchi rebels that have been attacking Chinese engineers working on belt and road projects, and recently tried to assassinate the Chinese Ambassador. We overthrew the government of Ukraine twice, in 2004 and 2014, installing a repressive anti-Russian government in its place. We tried to overthrow the government of Kazakhstan and Byelorussia earlier. Etc.

asveikau 4y ago
My father's family came from what is now a post-soviet republic, which you probably do not understand was previously, before unpopular annexation, a pre-soviet republic. You are not going to convince me with pro Putin horse shit. There are plenty of post-soviet republics, Ukraine included, who are favorable to NATO and not due to a US conspiracy. Many of these were brutally oppressed not just by the Soviet Union but the Russian Empire, and a lot of those conflicts predate the existence of the United States.
- rsj_hn 4y ago
  Well, despite the trenchant analysis, the point is not that the US creates completely fake movements. There are real issues of racism, religious tensions, women's rights, etc, and the point is to exploit these, arm the various groups, raise the temperature, and ultimately orchestrate a coup. For example, the US had a program to arm tibetans and train them to commit sabotage in China in the 1950s. That's not to say that Tibetans did not exist as an ethnic group or that they had no grievances against Han Chinese. That's not how this stuff works. So the point is that by drawing boundaries to include large Russian populations in the 1920s, this created exactly the recipe for racial conflict when the provinces became independent nations. Then appeals could be made to people like your father to take up arms and foment violence. It just requires a steady stream of funding, propaganda, buying media, stoking up long standing hatreds, etc. That's the recipe of color revolutions. It's also how the British operated in many parts of the empire, exploiting existing ethnic dividing lines. Similarly in the Arab world, there were legitimate grievances, for example in Libya. Of course the end result was the dismemberment of the nation, but that's how the US operates -- they pry open existing grievances and create chaos and violence in order to further geostrategic goals. To be fair, The Soviet Union did the same thing during the cold war, famously providing funding for various radical racial groups in the U.S. in an attempt to create chaos in America in the 1960s. So it wasn't just the US and Britain that operates this way. The point is to leverage whetever fractures there are in society and make those larger.
  - asveikau 4y ago
    You just told me that Ukraine wanted to be pro-Russia, anti-west in 2004-2005, and the CIA intervened. That's horse shit. As I re-read you are also saying the protests against Lukashenko were a US led coup attempt. Sorry, that is just nuts. I'm going to hazard a guess that if you aren't deliberately lying, you don't know very much about Lukashenko. You are just repeating all the Kremlin type stuff without skepticism. I really don't have polite words.

by rsj_hn 4y ago

asveikau 4y ago

My father's family came from what is now a post-soviet republic, which you probably do not understand was previously, before unpopular annexation, a pre-soviet republic. You are not going to convince me with pro Putin horse shit. There are plenty of post-soviet republics, Ukraine included, who are favorable to NATO and not due to a US conspiracy. Many of these were brutally oppressed not just by the Soviet Union but the Russian Empire, and a lot of those conflicts predate the existence of the United States.

rsj_hn 4y ago
Well, despite the trenchant analysis, the point is not that the US creates completely fake movements. There are real issues of racism, religious tensions, women's rights, etc, and the point is to exploit these, arm the various groups, raise the temperature, and ultimately orchestrate a coup. For example, the US had a program to arm tibetans and train them to commit sabotage in China in the 1950s. That's not to say that Tibetans did not exist as an ethnic group or that they had no grievances against Han Chinese. That's not how this stuff works. So the point is that by drawing boundaries to include large Russian populations in the 1920s, this created exactly the recipe for racial conflict when the provinces became independent nations. Then appeals could be made to people like your father to take up arms and foment violence. It just requires a steady stream of funding, propaganda, buying media, stoking up long standing hatreds, etc. That's the recipe of color revolutions. It's also how the British operated in many parts of the empire, exploiting existing ethnic dividing lines. Similarly in the Arab world, there were legitimate grievances, for example in Libya. Of course the end result was the dismemberment of the nation, but that's how the US operates -- they pry open existing grievances and create chaos and violence in order to further geostrategic goals. To be fair, The Soviet Union did the same thing during the cold war, famously providing funding for various radical racial groups in the U.S. in an attempt to create chaos in America in the 1960s. So it wasn't just the US and Britain that operates this way. The point is to leverage whetever fractures there are in society and make those larger.
- asveikau 4y ago
  You just told me that Ukraine wanted to be pro-Russia, anti-west in 2004-2005, and the CIA intervened. That's horse shit. As I re-read you are also saying the protests against Lukashenko were a US led coup attempt. Sorry, that is just nuts. I'm going to hazard a guess that if you aren't deliberately lying, you don't know very much about Lukashenko. You are just repeating all the Kremlin type stuff without skepticism. I really don't have polite words.