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The problem is that smart people, paying attention and putting national interest will now compromise, and people not in that category will just continue to refu

The problem is that smart people, paying attention and putting national interest will now compromise, and people not in that category will just continue to refuse. So the "centre" will move closer to whatever that latter group believes. And will keep doing so until then former group stops compromising. So this, like so so many issues, cannot be solves by appeals to individuals to change their own position. It REQUIRES a national level fix.

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Loughla 4y ago
>It REQUIRES a national level fix. Honestly, genuinely, what the hell would that even look like? I legitimately cannot picture a solution here.
- godelski 4y ago
  It is also passing the buck. We're representative countries, which means the individual always plays a role. Requiring a national fix means garnering national support. That of individuals. Which is exactly what I'm trying to do here.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  Some action against Russia to deter future interference?
godelski 4y ago
I think you misunderstand the strategy of many moderates and centrists. Many have been unmoving over the years and we should note the stark rise in independent voters. There's this narrative that moderates and centrists compromise on everything and this too is propaganda. These people people just see value in some positions from each side. But the key here is cherry-picking. You don't take an issue like abortion and "compromise" on it, but rather you have an opinion that falls akin to one group. That may or may not be the same group who's opinions align with your opinions about taxes though. In fact, you even see the Libertarians trying to capture these groups by promoting themselves as "fiscally conservative, socially liberal." So don't buy into the propaganda. > It REQUIRES a national level fix. The US has a national election tomorrow. This requires individuals to vote for representatives that will adequately represent them in this manner. There is an individual role required to make a national fix. I'd also ask, what to do when those national institutions fail? We've always, and always will, have to rely on individuals. This is both the power and vulnerability of a democracy (even democratically elected republics). It is the individual who votes. It is the individual who stokes or stamps the flames of extremism. Is always has been and always will be up to us. The alternative is autocracy. So please do not pass the buck. You have a role to play here and it is critical. Surely there are solutions that do not require us to go to civil war nor turn to autocracy. We're better than that. I'm also going to leave this here: John Cleese's (of Monty Python) skit on Extremism. It is worth a watch, even just for a good laugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCkxlqFd90 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCkxlqFd90

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Loughla 4y ago

>It REQUIRES a national level fix. Honestly, genuinely, what the hell would that even look like? I legitimately cannot picture a solution here.

godelski 4y ago
It is also passing the buck. We're representative countries, which means the individual always plays a role. Requiring a national fix means garnering national support. That of individuals. Which is exactly what I'm trying to do here.
LatteLazy 4y ago
Some action against Russia to deter future interference?

godelski 4y ago

I think you misunderstand the strategy of many moderates and centrists. Many have been unmoving over the years and we should note the stark rise in independent voters. There's this narrative that moderates and centrists compromise on everything and this too is propaganda. These people people just see value in some positions from each side. But the key here is cherry-picking. You don't take an issue like abortion and "compromise" on it, but rather you have an opinion that falls akin to one group. That may or may not be the same group who's opinions align with your opinions about taxes though. In fact, you even see the Libertarians trying to capture these groups by promoting themselves as "fiscally conservative, socially liberal." So don't buy into the propaganda. > It REQUIRES a national level fix. The US has a national election tomorrow. This requires individuals to vote for representatives that will adequately represent them in this manner. There is an individual role required to make a national fix. I'd also ask, what to do when those national institutions fail? We've always, and always will, have to rely on individuals. This is both the power and vulnerability of a democracy (even democratically elected republics). It is the individual who votes. It is the individual who stokes or stamps the flames of extremism. Is always has been and always will be up to us. The alternative is autocracy. So please do not pass the buck. You have a role to play here and it is critical. Surely there are solutions that do not require us to go to civil war nor turn to autocracy. We're better than that. I'm also going to leave this here: John Cleese's (of Monty Python) skit on Extremism. It is worth a watch, even just for a good laugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCkxlqFd90 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCkxlqFd90