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Since 2014 I don't trust my macs. There is no Apple computer without LS installed on in my company. Actually, if LS is not available, I will not use Apple compu

by nbzso 4y ago

Since 2014 I don't trust my macs. There is no Apple computer without LS installed on in my company. Actually, if LS is not available, I will not use Apple computers at all. Period.

beermonster 4y ago
Why don't you trust your macs since 2014. Also why do you still use them if you don't trust them any longer?
- gtufano 4y ago
  Not OP, but for me the answer to your question is: is a tool I need. I _could_ use Windows, and absolutely not Linux/BSD (for the programs/tools I need for work), and, frankly, I don't think Windows is better. Yes, I know that's not completely true. I _could_ use Linux (I even used Solaris on a notebook for 2 years in the past and I survived) but the cost in terms of effort, lost productivity would be higher than I'm ready to pay. It's a rational choice.
  - account42 4y ago
    > I _could_ use Windows, and absolutely not Linux/BSD (for the programs/tools I need for work) Are you sure of this? Wine (or Proton for graphics stuff) is pretty good.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Work only allows Mac or Win to log in to their VPN.
  - raxxorraxor 4y ago
    Change your work then. Or use windows in a VM. Always good to separate work and private system anyway.
    - mixmastamyk 4y ago
      They provide a mac. I will exit at some point.
nvr219 4y ago
What happened in 2014? Also someone told me here that LS should be considered harmful.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  It's complicated, but the 2013-2014 years were when the bulk of the Snowden leaks were hitting the internet, and people were starting to dig up really suspicious stuff relating to all big tech companies, not just Apple. However, Apple was still among the companies compliant with PRISM, the NSA's newly established surveillance/tracking effort that also roped in Microsoft, Google, AOL and any other major service provider you can think of. The implications of this are unclear. I like blowing these claims out of proportion, but in reality we genuinely have no idea what this means. It could simply signal that Apple is complicit with benign cloud-storage security procedures enforced by the USA. It could also mean that the US has carte-blanche access to iCloud data and decryption keys. You're free to draw your own conclusions, but the surrounding context seems to imply that Apple has an under-the-table relationship with our government (as does most of the tech industry, surprise surprise). Oh, and I don't really know/care if LS is harmful. You should be aware that it's not going to outsmart Apple if they want to collect your info, though. They have kernel-level networking access, which companies like Microsoft have abused in the past to collect telemetry on crafty users. It's probably not harmful, per-se, but your perception of it as an impassible wall might be.
  - nbzso 4y ago
    LS is not the only solution that I use. But is a good start and limits the telemetry baked into the macOS significantly. On my Debian installs, I use Open Snitch. https://bit.ly/3t6VSCk https://bit.ly/3t6VSCk
  - Socket-232 4y ago
    Why do you trust Little Snitch? It's closed source and in the perfect position to steal information.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
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by nbzso 4y ago

Since 2014 I don't trust my macs. There is no Apple computer without LS installed on in my company. Actually, if LS is not available, I will not use Apple computers at all. Period.

beermonster 4y ago

Why don't you trust your macs since 2014. Also why do you still use them if you don't trust them any longer?

gtufano 4y ago
Not OP, but for me the answer to your question is: is a tool I need. I _could_ use Windows, and absolutely not Linux/BSD (for the programs/tools I need for work), and, frankly, I don't think Windows is better. Yes, I know that's not completely true. I _could_ use Linux (I even used Solaris on a notebook for 2 years in the past and I survived) but the cost in terms of effort, lost productivity would be higher than I'm ready to pay. It's a rational choice.
- account42 4y ago
  > I _could_ use Windows, and absolutely not Linux/BSD (for the programs/tools I need for work) Are you sure of this? Wine (or Proton for graphics stuff) is pretty good.
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Work only allows Mac or Win to log in to their VPN.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  Change your work then. Or use windows in a VM. Always good to separate work and private system anyway.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    They provide a mac. I will exit at some point.

nvr219 4y ago

What happened in 2014? Also someone told me here that LS should be considered harmful.

smoldesu 4y ago
It's complicated, but the 2013-2014 years were when the bulk of the Snowden leaks were hitting the internet, and people were starting to dig up really suspicious stuff relating to all big tech companies, not just Apple. However, Apple was still among the companies compliant with PRISM, the NSA's newly established surveillance/tracking effort that also roped in Microsoft, Google, AOL and any other major service provider you can think of. The implications of this are unclear. I like blowing these claims out of proportion, but in reality we genuinely have no idea what this means. It could simply signal that Apple is complicit with benign cloud-storage security procedures enforced by the USA. It could also mean that the US has carte-blanche access to iCloud data and decryption keys. You're free to draw your own conclusions, but the surrounding context seems to imply that Apple has an under-the-table relationship with our government (as does most of the tech industry, surprise surprise). Oh, and I don't really know/care if LS is harmful. You should be aware that it's not going to outsmart Apple if they want to collect your info, though. They have kernel-level networking access, which companies like Microsoft have abused in the past to collect telemetry on crafty users. It's probably not harmful, per-se, but your perception of it as an impassible wall might be.
- nbzso 4y ago
  LS is not the only solution that I use. But is a good start and limits the telemetry baked into the macOS significantly. On my Debian installs, I use Open Snitch. https://bit.ly/3t6VSCk https://bit.ly/3t6VSCk
- Socket-232 4y ago
  Why do you trust Little Snitch? It's closed source and in the perfect position to steal information.
  - smoldesu 4y ago

jessicalleba 4y ago

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