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I think we need a concentrated effort to separate "privacy" from "targeted invasive advertising". I know they're related, since ads are the main reason big tech

by mihaic 4y ago

I think we need a concentrated effort to separate "privacy" from "targeted invasive advertising". I know they're related, since ads are the main reason big tech break privacy, but as used now it's a term that clouds both legislative response and general public sentiment. Sending back stack traces of crash reports is not the same as gathering data for targeting and pushing manipulative ads while you're browsing your folders. I for one don't care about privacy that much, and that's how most consumers are. Almost everyone hates with a fury being shown ad over ad. Keep ads out of my OS, it's that simple.

arkh 4y ago
> I for one don't care about privacy that much, and that's how most consumers are. So you would not mind sharing your credit card infos. Or your social security number if you're in the US? Also I bet you like going around naked outside when the weather is right.
- mihaic 4y ago
  "That much" doesn't mean "none at all", you're doing a textbook strawman here. I for instance don't care if my conversations are end-to-end encrypted, or if my financial transactions are anonymous. I do care if any random employee can just pull up my data, or if the company that's storing that data abuses its position and pushes ads in my face based on what date I have on their servers. Common sense protection like payment method tokenization and SSL connections are the norm already, I don't want regression. In the end, I meant that the privacy conversation should be moved into more concrete terms as an invasive ads discussion, not turned into something more abstract about which discussion is meaningless.
deafpolygon 4y ago
> I for one don't care about privacy that much I really value my privacy, and it's not that I have anything to hide. I think that's a stupid argument for less privacy. If we're not careful, they'll start installing microphones and cameras to monitor you - for the improvement of your security and service, of course! I can't help but think of the analogy of the frog and the pot, with the boiling water. We're all in the pot and the heat is just being turned up slowly, so we're not aware of what's happening to us. The amount of data social media collects on people is a wet dream for any autocratic state. The default setting should be opt-in, not out-out.

by mihaic 4y ago

arkh 4y ago

> I for one don't care about privacy that much, and that's how most consumers are. So you would not mind sharing your credit card infos. Or your social security number if you're in the US? Also I bet you like going around naked outside when the weather is right.

mihaic 4y ago
"That much" doesn't mean "none at all", you're doing a textbook strawman here. I for instance don't care if my conversations are end-to-end encrypted, or if my financial transactions are anonymous. I do care if any random employee can just pull up my data, or if the company that's storing that data abuses its position and pushes ads in my face based on what date I have on their servers. Common sense protection like payment method tokenization and SSL connections are the norm already, I don't want regression. In the end, I meant that the privacy conversation should be moved into more concrete terms as an invasive ads discussion, not turned into something more abstract about which discussion is meaningless.

deafpolygon 4y ago

> I for one don't care about privacy that much I really value my privacy, and it's not that I have anything to hide. I think that's a stupid argument for less privacy. If we're not careful, they'll start installing microphones and cameras to monitor you - for the improvement of your security and service, of course! I can't help but think of the analogy of the frog and the pot, with the boiling water. We're all in the pot and the heat is just being turned up slowly, so we're not aware of what's happening to us. The amount of data social media collects on people is a wet dream for any autocratic state. The default setting should be opt-in, not out-out.