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Selling more gas to Europe isn’t a massive windfall to USA. The Biden administration has bigger fish to fry and wouldn’t risk such an intervention in Swedish wa

by pavlov 4y ago

Selling more gas to Europe isn’t a massive windfall to USA. The Biden administration has bigger fish to fry and wouldn’t risk such an intervention in Swedish waters just as Sweden is joining NATO. My money is on Russian hardliner factions operating rogue without Putin’s approval. He can’t admit he doesn’t know who did it. The Russian state security apparatus is so large, we have no idea what kind of internal tensions exist. Putin may have unleashed something he doesn’t control anymore.

aa-jv 4y ago
>The Biden administration has bigger fish to fry and wouldn’t risk such an intervention in Swedish waters just as Sweden is joining NATO. This is a pretty naive perspective - Since when has Sweden ever stood up to the crimes and misdeeds of the USA? Sweden ranks up there with Australia in the "lackey-state underdog to the USA" rankings ..
- pavlov 4y ago
  It's just not worth the Americans' time to be plotting such a thing now. Selling more natural gas is irrelevant to the Biden administration's survival. And there were general elections in both Sweden and Denmark within the past two months — terrible timing for such an offensive CIA operation in NATO waters because any information leak would have handed a potent electoral weapon to anti-American opposition parties. The Russians are already a very active presence in the Baltic Sea, and this attack fits with their general pattern of confusion and misdirection.
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    There is no evidence that the Russians were anywhere near the pipeline around the time it was destroyed. There is massive evidence that the US and its allies were operating in those waters, and up to something, leading up to the day of the attack. The idea that the US wouldn't jeapordize its relationship with the Baltic states in order to cut off a vital supply of economic resources to Europe is very, very naive. The US has done far worse to its so-called allies.
actionfromafar 4y ago
My money is on Putin doing it, to dissuade any would be throne-pretenders in case of a coup. Any new government has fewer funding options, which would be good to negotiate with Europe, and to pay cooperating oligarchs. It would be cutting the nose to spite the face, except Putin is cutting Russia's nose, not his own. What matters is staying in power, not the good of the nation.
- MomoXenosaga 4y ago
  I agree. Scorched earth policy. Putin for whatever reason is going all in on Ukraine. Even if the war ended tomorrow it would take Russia decades to rebuild it's army.
  - actionfromafar 4y ago
    To rebuild to its previous apparent capability or to its actual capabilities? If Russia is given the means, it may take only a few years to rebuild to its actual capabilities of 2021. Which is bad enough to cause trouble.

by pavlov 4y ago

aa-jv 4y ago

>The Biden administration has bigger fish to fry and wouldn’t risk such an intervention in Swedish waters just as Sweden is joining NATO. This is a pretty naive perspective - Since when has Sweden ever stood up to the crimes and misdeeds of the USA? Sweden ranks up there with Australia in the "lackey-state underdog to the USA" rankings ..

pavlov 4y ago
It's just not worth the Americans' time to be plotting such a thing now. Selling more natural gas is irrelevant to the Biden administration's survival. And there were general elections in both Sweden and Denmark within the past two months — terrible timing for such an offensive CIA operation in NATO waters because any information leak would have handed a potent electoral weapon to anti-American opposition parties. The Russians are already a very active presence in the Baltic Sea, and this attack fits with their general pattern of confusion and misdirection.
- aa-jv 4y ago
  There is no evidence that the Russians were anywhere near the pipeline around the time it was destroyed. There is massive evidence that the US and its allies were operating in those waters, and up to something, leading up to the day of the attack. The idea that the US wouldn't jeapordize its relationship with the Baltic states in order to cut off a vital supply of economic resources to Europe is very, very naive. The US has done far worse to its so-called allies.

actionfromafar 4y ago

My money is on Putin doing it, to dissuade any would be throne-pretenders in case of a coup. Any new government has fewer funding options, which would be good to negotiate with Europe, and to pay cooperating oligarchs. It would be cutting the nose to spite the face, except Putin is cutting Russia's nose, not his own. What matters is staying in power, not the good of the nation.

MomoXenosaga 4y ago
I agree. Scorched earth policy. Putin for whatever reason is going all in on Ukraine. Even if the war ended tomorrow it would take Russia decades to rebuild it's army.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  To rebuild to its previous apparent capability or to its actual capabilities? If Russia is given the means, it may take only a few years to rebuild to its actual capabilities of 2021. Which is bad enough to cause trouble.