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> outside of the USA if they piss off Mark Zuckerberg enough they can lose the rest of the world because who would want a phone that doesn't have WhatsApp? We

> outside of the USA if they piss off Mark Zuckerberg enough they can lose the rest of the world because who would want a phone that doesn't have WhatsApp? We use WhatsApp by default because of the network effects. FB have no power over Apple here because removing it from iPhones would kill the only reason people use it. The switch to (most likely) Telegram would happen overnight.

mrtksn 4y ago
Okay, what if FB makes WhatsApp slow, buggy and lacking features instead? Are the Android users be willing to switch to other messenger platforms for the comfort of the iPhone users or are the iPhone users consider the messaging quality just as if they consider camera quality when purchasing a new phone? I agree that the messaging platforms are not all powerful but they do wield significant power. iPhone is famously good for social media because Instagram and Snapchat camera integration sucked and that was something people consider when buying a new phone. So there must be a point where switching to a different phone to improve communications is less painful than making all your social circle switch platform for you.
- andreilys 4y ago
  I only have one or two friends who have an Android, the rest are all iPhone. Only time I use WhatsApp is when I’m traveling overseas.
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    You are the exception, not the rule. Google for iPhone marketshare.
    - mattl 4y ago
      It seems iPhone is the majority in the US... which countries in Europe do not have a high number of iPhone users?
      - mrtksn 4y ago
        Except for the UK, All of them have Android dominance.
        mattl 4y ago
        Is there a breakdown of Android versions and devices? I’m curious to see how current/capable those devices are.
        mrtksn 4y ago
        I don't know anyone is publishing that much details but for the overall market share kind of stats you can start digging from statcounter, France for example: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/france https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/france
- SergeAx 4y ago
  Let's just give a green bubble to iPhone users of WhatsApp!
rishav_sharan 4y ago
I personally doubt it. Most of the markets where Whatsapp is THE messaging app is also where iPhone has low penetration. At least taking the example of India, if Whatsapp were to stop supporting iOS, then people would still continue to use Whatsapp in their Android phones.
dr-detroit 4y ago
birksherty 4y ago
This is only in US; in most other countries situation will be different.

mrtksn 4y ago

Okay, what if FB makes WhatsApp slow, buggy and lacking features instead? Are the Android users be willing to switch to other messenger platforms for the comfort of the iPhone users or are the iPhone users consider the messaging quality just as if they consider camera quality when purchasing a new phone? I agree that the messaging platforms are not all powerful but they do wield significant power. iPhone is famously good for social media because Instagram and Snapchat camera integration sucked and that was something people consider when buying a new phone. So there must be a point where switching to a different phone to improve communications is less painful than making all your social circle switch platform for you.

andreilys 4y ago
I only have one or two friends who have an Android, the rest are all iPhone. Only time I use WhatsApp is when I’m traveling overseas.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  You are the exception, not the rule. Google for iPhone marketshare.
  - mattl 4y ago
    It seems iPhone is the majority in the US... which countries in Europe do not have a high number of iPhone users?
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      Except for the UK, All of them have Android dominance.
      - mattl 4y ago
        Is there a breakdown of Android versions and devices? I’m curious to see how current/capable those devices are.
        mrtksn 4y ago
        I don't know anyone is publishing that much details but for the overall market share kind of stats you can start digging from statcounter, France for example: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/france https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/france
SergeAx 4y ago
Let's just give a green bubble to iPhone users of WhatsApp!

rishav_sharan 4y ago

I personally doubt it. Most of the markets where Whatsapp is THE messaging app is also where iPhone has low penetration. At least taking the example of India, if Whatsapp were to stop supporting iOS, then people would still continue to use Whatsapp in their Android phones.

dr-detroit 4y ago

birksherty 4y ago

This is only in US; in most other countries situation will be different.