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Yeah he said you need to clearly label your account as "parody" account if you wanted to do that. Except people got banned even though the followed this new rul

by smcl 4y ago

Yeah he said you need to clearly label your account as "parody" account if you wanted to do that. Except people got banned even though the followed this new rule. Ethan Klein aka @h3h3Productions clearly labelled his account via a big banner picture, but has been booted off the platform. Meanwhile I'm continuing to report the pretty explicit racism, homophobia, transphobia I'm seeing in replies to some people I follow and getting the "...we want to let you know that {user} hasn't broken our safety policies..." response. So, it seems the priorities for the (presumably substantially gutted) moderation team aren't hate speech, but rather protecting Musk's feelings

chrisseaton 4y ago
> via a big banner picture I guess that doesn't appear in the feed though?
dislikedtom2 4y ago
without taking sides, I want to point out that the banner is not a viable way to label things since blind people for example can't access the text.
- mrpopo 4y ago
  Or bots for that matter (which might be more relevant here)
- lm28469 4y ago
  The irony is that apparently Musk fired twitter's accessibility team
  - smcl 4y ago
    This shouldn't be downvoted, it's true (see [0]) and does undermine any claim that ethan's banning was out of a concern for the visually impaired. [0] https://twitter.com/gerardkcohen/status/1588584459779321857 https://twitter.com/gerardkcohen/status/1588584459779321857
- Lapsa 4y ago
  and someone might have a bad sense of humor too!
radu_floricica 4y ago
I'd guess people use various twitter clients, and not all of them can show the banner clearly enough. Makes sense to require written text. And I wouldn't complain too much about whatever is happening in the next few weeks. It's a transition period and not particularly meaningful - can't really tell if any one incident is due to deliberate policy, understaffing, work in progress or evolving goals.
- theturtletalks 4y ago
  Didn’t they restrict AOC’s account cause she criticized Musk? I don’t think that could be chalked up to “transition period.”
- threeseed 4y ago
  > I'd guess people use various twitter clients They don't. Twitter reigned that back in many years ago. In fact Dorsey's new BlueSky project is a return to the early days of Twitter where they provide an API and let anyone build clients.
  - smcl 4y ago
    There are still a few people who use third party clients. I personally Twitter's found iOS app to be annoying (I forget in what specific way) so ages ago I switched to Tweetbot. That said, I really don't think what got Ethan banned was a concern over accessibility.
  - jfengel 4y ago
    Is there's a reason he's just not using Mastodon?
recuter 4y ago
- smcl 4y ago
  If you're making fun of me for reporting tweets where guys are dropping the n-bomb, and vulnerable people are getting abuse, then that says a bit more about you than it does about me.
  - recuter 4y ago
    I am not making fun of you. > it seems the priorities for the (presumably substantially gutted) moderation team aren't hate speech, but rather protecting Musk's feelings You are having an emotional response to automated emails. Like so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kproPsch7i0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kproPsch7i0
    - pjc50 4y ago
      > You are having an emotional response to automated emails. What's wrong with that?
    - smcl 4y ago
      What was emotional about that response? You're acting like I'm breaking down, weeping at the sight of some emails in my inbox. When I'm clearly just saying that they've deprioritised handling sincere complaints, and now whatever humans that remain are chasing down some jokes about a very silly man in a very silly situation.
      - recuter 4y ago
        I sincerely think you are breaking down, actually. This isn't a dig. > whatever humans that remain are involved are chasing down some jokes about a very silly man in a very silly situation Fake accounts and impersonating people falls under spam and misinformation. They aren't chasing jokesters for unacceptable humor (respectfully, based on your comments this reads as massive projection) and certainly not limiting this to effort to any one user. You would similarly be banned now for impersonating Kathy Griffin or some trans lady or any of the people you seem to think you are so valiantly defending. By all means call Elon and Twitter incompetent but you are ascribing a lot of malice hyperbolically. The need for drama and eagerness to make stuff up is simply disturbing. This sort of tantrum would give me pause coming from a small child. I suggest you take a break from twitter/social and practice some self-care, I am not being sarcastic and not trying to insult you. I promise nobody is out to mess with your favorite @h3h3Productions or even knows who he is. Nobody is ignoring your reports either because they disagree with your politics. It is just a poorly designed and managed app.
taneq 4y ago
Does "clearly label your account" mean "choose some way to display that you are a parody account" or does it mean "there's a checkbox labeled 'parody' that you must check if you are a parody account"?
- smcl 4y ago
  There is no such checkbox
- kibwen 4y ago
  It's quite clear that it means "whatever Elon Musk wants it to mean at any given moment in order to maximize utility for Elon Musk at the expense of his critics".
  - afiori 4y ago
    I don't think that Elon is self consistent enough to have an utility function.
pseudo0 4y ago
I saw one of the Ethan Klein tweets, and it was not immediately apparent as parody without clicking through to his account. Someone scrolling through their timeline can't see a user's bio or banner picture, it just looked like an Elon Musk tweet with a blue checkmark (except for the incorrect @). It looks like they are moving to address this by making the blue check tied to a specific name, which makes a lot of sense. If someone wants to change their display name, they can go through reverification, which should also fix the preexisting issue of blue check accounts getting hacked and used for scams.
- kibwen 4y ago
  > it was not immediately apparent as parody without clicking through to his account The tweet in question: "Even though Jeffrey Epstein committed horrible crimes, I do still miss him on nights like this for his warmth and comradery. Rest In Peace old friend" Parody is usually identifiable by its content, not because someone has to put a big "[WARNING: PARODY]" tag at the top.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    The issue is impersonation and confusion, not parody. A significant fraction of the population, especially infrequent Twitter users, are not aware of the display name vs. handle distinction. So if someone has a blue check, the same profile picture, and the display name of another user, they are creating confusion about the source of the statement in question. With the Onion or the Babylon Bee, they are "reporting" crazy-sounding stories with their own name and account, and thus with their attached reputation as established satire sites. That's an important distinction, in my opinion.
- afiori 4y ago
  > it just looked like an Elon Musk tweet with a blue checkmark (except for the incorrect @). Honestly this should have been the bannable offense. The checkmark was meant to guaranteed that you are who your claims to be (without having to check the @ on a side channel). If you intentionally use it for deceit then what is the point? Personally I dislike both Musk and Twitter, but I hope (and also doubt) that Twitter keeps an adequate level of user verification for the checkmarks.
dzhiurgis 4y ago
I absolutely love how he trapped them by fine print. Wonder how many of them will beg his forgiveness. Some of the “jokes” they tried to pull off should probably get them cancelled from all platforms.
RavingGoat 4y ago
What if your legal name is Elon Musk. Can you pay the $8 to be verified? Will there only be one unique verified name and if so who gets to "own" it? If I get verified then someone has a hit song with my same name do I lose verification because they are now more important than me? Musk seems unhinged as this point.

by smcl 4y ago

chrisseaton 4y ago

> via a big banner picture I guess that doesn't appear in the feed though?

dislikedtom2 4y ago

without taking sides, I want to point out that the banner is not a viable way to label things since blind people for example can't access the text.

mrpopo 4y ago
Or bots for that matter (which might be more relevant here)
lm28469 4y ago
The irony is that apparently Musk fired twitter's accessibility team
- smcl 4y ago
  This shouldn't be downvoted, it's true (see [0]) and does undermine any claim that ethan's banning was out of a concern for the visually impaired. [0] https://twitter.com/gerardkcohen/status/1588584459779321857 https://twitter.com/gerardkcohen/status/1588584459779321857
Lapsa 4y ago
and someone might have a bad sense of humor too!

radu_floricica 4y ago

I'd guess people use various twitter clients, and not all of them can show the banner clearly enough. Makes sense to require written text. And I wouldn't complain too much about whatever is happening in the next few weeks. It's a transition period and not particularly meaningful - can't really tell if any one incident is due to deliberate policy, understaffing, work in progress or evolving goals.

theturtletalks 4y ago
Didn’t they restrict AOC’s account cause she criticized Musk? I don’t think that could be chalked up to “transition period.”
threeseed 4y ago
> I'd guess people use various twitter clients They don't. Twitter reigned that back in many years ago. In fact Dorsey's new BlueSky project is a return to the early days of Twitter where they provide an API and let anyone build clients.
- smcl 4y ago
  There are still a few people who use third party clients. I personally Twitter's found iOS app to be annoying (I forget in what specific way) so ages ago I switched to Tweetbot. That said, I really don't think what got Ethan banned was a concern over accessibility.
- jfengel 4y ago
  Is there's a reason he's just not using Mastodon?

recuter 4y ago

smcl 4y ago
If you're making fun of me for reporting tweets where guys are dropping the n-bomb, and vulnerable people are getting abuse, then that says a bit more about you than it does about me.
- recuter 4y ago
  I am not making fun of you. > it seems the priorities for the (presumably substantially gutted) moderation team aren't hate speech, but rather protecting Musk's feelings You are having an emotional response to automated emails. Like so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kproPsch7i0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kproPsch7i0
  - pjc50 4y ago
    > You are having an emotional response to automated emails. What's wrong with that?
  - smcl 4y ago
    What was emotional about that response? You're acting like I'm breaking down, weeping at the sight of some emails in my inbox. When I'm clearly just saying that they've deprioritised handling sincere complaints, and now whatever humans that remain are chasing down some jokes about a very silly man in a very silly situation.
    - recuter 4y ago
      I sincerely think you are breaking down, actually. This isn't a dig. > whatever humans that remain are involved are chasing down some jokes about a very silly man in a very silly situation Fake accounts and impersonating people falls under spam and misinformation. They aren't chasing jokesters for unacceptable humor (respectfully, based on your comments this reads as massive projection) and certainly not limiting this to effort to any one user. You would similarly be banned now for impersonating Kathy Griffin or some trans lady or any of the people you seem to think you are so valiantly defending. By all means call Elon and Twitter incompetent but you are ascribing a lot of malice hyperbolically. The need for drama and eagerness to make stuff up is simply disturbing. This sort of tantrum would give me pause coming from a small child. I suggest you take a break from twitter/social and practice some self-care, I am not being sarcastic and not trying to insult you. I promise nobody is out to mess with your favorite @h3h3Productions or even knows who he is. Nobody is ignoring your reports either because they disagree with your politics. It is just a poorly designed and managed app.

taneq 4y ago

Does "clearly label your account" mean "choose some way to display that you are a parody account" or does it mean "there's a checkbox labeled 'parody' that you must check if you are a parody account"?

smcl 4y ago
There is no such checkbox
kibwen 4y ago
It's quite clear that it means "whatever Elon Musk wants it to mean at any given moment in order to maximize utility for Elon Musk at the expense of his critics".
- afiori 4y ago
  I don't think that Elon is self consistent enough to have an utility function.

pseudo0 4y ago

I saw one of the Ethan Klein tweets, and it was not immediately apparent as parody without clicking through to his account. Someone scrolling through their timeline can't see a user's bio or banner picture, it just looked like an Elon Musk tweet with a blue checkmark (except for the incorrect @). It looks like they are moving to address this by making the blue check tied to a specific name, which makes a lot of sense. If someone wants to change their display name, they can go through reverification, which should also fix the preexisting issue of blue check accounts getting hacked and used for scams.

kibwen 4y ago
> it was not immediately apparent as parody without clicking through to his account The tweet in question: "Even though Jeffrey Epstein committed horrible crimes, I do still miss him on nights like this for his warmth and comradery. Rest In Peace old friend" Parody is usually identifiable by its content, not because someone has to put a big "[WARNING: PARODY]" tag at the top.
- pseudo0 4y ago
  The issue is impersonation and confusion, not parody. A significant fraction of the population, especially infrequent Twitter users, are not aware of the display name vs. handle distinction. So if someone has a blue check, the same profile picture, and the display name of another user, they are creating confusion about the source of the statement in question. With the Onion or the Babylon Bee, they are "reporting" crazy-sounding stories with their own name and account, and thus with their attached reputation as established satire sites. That's an important distinction, in my opinion.
afiori 4y ago
> it just looked like an Elon Musk tweet with a blue checkmark (except for the incorrect @). Honestly this should have been the bannable offense. The checkmark was meant to guaranteed that you are who your claims to be (without having to check the @ on a side channel). If you intentionally use it for deceit then what is the point? Personally I dislike both Musk and Twitter, but I hope (and also doubt) that Twitter keeps an adequate level of user verification for the checkmarks.

dzhiurgis 4y ago

I absolutely love how he trapped them by fine print. Wonder how many of them will beg his forgiveness. Some of the “jokes” they tried to pull off should probably get them cancelled from all platforms.

RavingGoat 4y ago

What if your legal name is Elon Musk. Can you pay the $8 to be verified? Will there only be one unique verified name and if so who gets to "own" it? If I get verified then someone has a hit song with my same name do I lose verification because they are now more important than me? Musk seems unhinged as this point.