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> enjoyed the warmest October I abhor this kind of language that news sites use. It takes away from the seriousness of the underlying cause (and its effects),

> enjoyed the warmest October I abhor this kind of language that news sites use. It takes away from the seriousness of the underlying cause (and its effects), and associates hot/warm weather with "good". Public apathy towards climate change starts here.

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hutzlibu 4y ago
I did enjoy the warm and sunny october. Would anything have been any better, if I felt miserable about things, I cannot really change?
throw827474737 4y ago
That's true.. but on the other hand: I'm fully aware of the climate crisis .. still the weather for the individual here was pure enjoyment.. it is not so much of a news language thing here, but even climate activists enjoyed the weather?
dan-robertson 4y ago
I don’t enjoy warm autumn weather because The Economist tells me to. I don’t think avoiding talking about the weather like a human is necessary or helpful for dealing with climate change. But perhaps part of this is that I generally don’t believe that fixing climate change has much to do with terrifying the public about it. Furthermore, it’s generally untrue that any particular warm October is due to climate change but rather the average October temperature over many years.
- VBprogrammer 4y ago
  Yes, it feels like cherry picking when people say something like "climate change makes severe weather events more likely" in connection with a drought or unusually hot spell but ridicule anyone who tries to use a particularly cold winter as evidence that climate change is not happening. We should avoid the association between climate and short term weather phenomenon altogether. And yes, the COVID lockdowns showed the limits of individual action on climate change. Even if people can't leave their house (except for some limited purposes) the reduction in carbon emissions are relatively small. It's a problem for government and industry to solve in the main. The only difficulty is how to ensure that we elect governments who take it seriously without scaring some people?
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    > Yes, it feels like cherry picking when people say something like "climate change makes severe weather events more likely" in connection with a drought or unusually hot spell but ridicule anyone who tries to use a particularly cold winter as evidence that climate change is not happening. Climate change results in more extreme weather, both warm and cold. So a particularly cold winter can be a result of climate change as well.
    - VBprogrammer 4y ago
      Sure but that's not the point. The point is associating any single weather event with climate change is wrong whether it helps your case or not. You can say something like over the last decade droughts are 32% more frequently than in the previous decade but just tacking it arbitrarily on to any reporting about a particular weather event is misleading.
      - cinntaile 4y ago
        Ok, I agree with that.
    - swottler 4y ago
      Source?
Aldipower 4y ago
I enjoyed it very much. It was good. Winter is coming now.
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  We're holding-off on running the heating in anticipation of having to crank it up to 11 come January. What's galling about the stupidity of mass media is their ability to spin a story by focusing on 4 weeks, without any scope or informed consideration of a bigger picture.
sph 4y ago
It is relatively good. Climate change is bad, families left out in the cold because they can't afford rising gas and electricity prices is bad, so we are lucky in our being fucked. It could have been worse. Silver lining and all that.
- dotancohen 4y ago
  Looking at this as a silver lining is like looking at your arm amputation as a silver lining to your hangnail.
pjc50 4y ago
I can enjoy an unseasonably warm October. I did not enjoy the unseasonably warm July.
evandijk70 4y ago
The seriousness of climate change is not lost on me, but your comment is rather heartless. In the UK the 'eating or heating?' question is real for many families this winter. It is fair to say that the warm October was a gift from the gods.
- klodolph 4y ago
  "Heartless" is uncalled for. The warmer weather may mean that fewer people are suffering today, but it is also a symptom of a trend that leads towards more suffering in the future. Is it heartless to think of those people in the future?
  - randomuser26491 4y ago
    It is the poorest who will suffer the most from the unmitigated effects of climate change. It is also the poorest who cannot afford to pay for adequate heating at current prices. If we take the route of "Save the future poor by letting the living poor suffer" we will always be able to justify policies which unfairly impact the poorest in society.
    - micromacrofoot 4y ago
      and regardless of when the poor suffer, the sad truth is always that they didn't have to
  - dotancohen 4y ago
    > Is it heartless to think of those people in the future? Are those people in the future voting today? That's what drives policy.
    - joxel 4y ago
      No, but people who aren't selfish assholes should be voting with an eye toward the future.
radu_floricica 4y ago
Ok, since you started, let me challenge that head on: so far climate change is good. Cold-related deaths decreased something like 1-2 orders of magnitude more than a paltry increase in heat deaths. You're trying to make me fill guilty for enjoying nice weather? Really? Well, how do you feel about advocating for literally more dead people in the foreseeable future? And before you try bringing doomsday scenarios into that, no official prediction I've read supports a Venus-like scenario. On the other hand, simply by following current trends in 50 years we'll have massively increased resources and tech: great batteries, probably fusion, AI, efficient carbon capture and the cheap power to do it etc. So by pushing against climate change now, when we're still relatively poor and primitive, you just divert resources from growth and end up killing more people than needed.
- maxbond 4y ago
  You're counting chickens a bit early.
- CyanBird 4y ago
  >Cold-related deaths decreased something like 1-2 orders of magnitude more than a paltry increase in heat deaths I think this might be important to mention Most of the world indeed does not live in the US or Europe
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  Wow, that's almost delusional. It's like you don't understand what drought is, or haven't looked at any of the predictions about heat waves, the mass extinction events, the extreme weather, the fires... This is a new level of madness from the fight against the fight against climate change. Don't look up, my friend.
  - radu_floricica 4y ago
    Yeah, delusional. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... > 8·52% were cold-related and 0·91% were heat-related [...] Eastern Europe had the highest heat-related excess death rate and Sub-Saharan Africa had the highest cold-related excess death rate. Or look here and show me the disasters we're likely to have: https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/spm/ https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/spm/ Cause a see a bunch of "not good", but I somehow fail to see any "billions will die". Or is that not an official enough source for you? But yeah, it's easy to say "delusional" and drop a bunch of scary words without context. Drought is the thing farmers deal with every few years for literally over 10 millennia. Fires? Extreme weather? yeah, we have that, daily. Without putting some numbers on that it's just fearmongering. But putting numbers makes your position vulnerable - because on one hand global warming does have some good effects, and also wealth and tech more than compensate the ill-effects. For example you may find numbers on extreme weather increasing - but if you look at people affected by it, it's steadily going down. Not exactly the picture you're trying to paint with the scary words.
badpun 4y ago
We can't be in denial about climate changes having positive effects as well - e.g. cold countries will spend less on winter heating. That's normal, basically every phenomenon has positive and negative consequences, and what ultimately counts is the net impact.
magnetic-recoil 4y ago
I think this might have been a bad choice of words, I interpret the writer as intending "enjoyed" here to mean "to have had the use or benefit of" the warmest October, rather than explicitly endorsing that unseasonably warm weather is pleasurable. One does not need to be satisfied by something they "enjoy", especially in formal or legal language.

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hutzlibu 4y ago

I did enjoy the warm and sunny october. Would anything have been any better, if I felt miserable about things, I cannot really change?

throw827474737 4y ago

That's true.. but on the other hand: I'm fully aware of the climate crisis .. still the weather for the individual here was pure enjoyment.. it is not so much of a news language thing here, but even climate activists enjoyed the weather?

dan-robertson 4y ago

I don’t enjoy warm autumn weather because The Economist tells me to. I don’t think avoiding talking about the weather like a human is necessary or helpful for dealing with climate change. But perhaps part of this is that I generally don’t believe that fixing climate change has much to do with terrifying the public about it. Furthermore, it’s generally untrue that any particular warm October is due to climate change but rather the average October temperature over many years.

VBprogrammer 4y ago
Yes, it feels like cherry picking when people say something like "climate change makes severe weather events more likely" in connection with a drought or unusually hot spell but ridicule anyone who tries to use a particularly cold winter as evidence that climate change is not happening. We should avoid the association between climate and short term weather phenomenon altogether. And yes, the COVID lockdowns showed the limits of individual action on climate change. Even if people can't leave their house (except for some limited purposes) the reduction in carbon emissions are relatively small. It's a problem for government and industry to solve in the main. The only difficulty is how to ensure that we elect governments who take it seriously without scaring some people?
- cinntaile 4y ago
  > Yes, it feels like cherry picking when people say something like "climate change makes severe weather events more likely" in connection with a drought or unusually hot spell but ridicule anyone who tries to use a particularly cold winter as evidence that climate change is not happening. Climate change results in more extreme weather, both warm and cold. So a particularly cold winter can be a result of climate change as well.
  - VBprogrammer 4y ago
    Sure but that's not the point. The point is associating any single weather event with climate change is wrong whether it helps your case or not. You can say something like over the last decade droughts are 32% more frequently than in the previous decade but just tacking it arbitrarily on to any reporting about a particular weather event is misleading.
    - cinntaile 4y ago
      Ok, I agree with that.
  - swottler 4y ago
    Source?

Aldipower 4y ago

I enjoyed it very much. It was good. Winter is coming now.

nonrandomstring 4y ago
We're holding-off on running the heating in anticipation of having to crank it up to 11 come January. What's galling about the stupidity of mass media is their ability to spin a story by focusing on 4 weeks, without any scope or informed consideration of a bigger picture.

sph 4y ago

It is relatively good. Climate change is bad, families left out in the cold because they can't afford rising gas and electricity prices is bad, so we are lucky in our being fucked. It could have been worse. Silver lining and all that.

dotancohen 4y ago
Looking at this as a silver lining is like looking at your arm amputation as a silver lining to your hangnail.

pjc50 4y ago

I can enjoy an unseasonably warm October. I did not enjoy the unseasonably warm July.

evandijk70 4y ago

The seriousness of climate change is not lost on me, but your comment is rather heartless. In the UK the 'eating or heating?' question is real for many families this winter. It is fair to say that the warm October was a gift from the gods.

klodolph 4y ago
"Heartless" is uncalled for. The warmer weather may mean that fewer people are suffering today, but it is also a symptom of a trend that leads towards more suffering in the future. Is it heartless to think of those people in the future?
- randomuser26491 4y ago
  It is the poorest who will suffer the most from the unmitigated effects of climate change. It is also the poorest who cannot afford to pay for adequate heating at current prices. If we take the route of "Save the future poor by letting the living poor suffer" we will always be able to justify policies which unfairly impact the poorest in society.
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    and regardless of when the poor suffer, the sad truth is always that they didn't have to
- dotancohen 4y ago
  > Is it heartless to think of those people in the future? Are those people in the future voting today? That's what drives policy.
  - joxel 4y ago
    No, but people who aren't selfish assholes should be voting with an eye toward the future.

radu_floricica 4y ago

Ok, since you started, let me challenge that head on: so far climate change is good. Cold-related deaths decreased something like 1-2 orders of magnitude more than a paltry increase in heat deaths. You're trying to make me fill guilty for enjoying nice weather? Really? Well, how do you feel about advocating for literally more dead people in the foreseeable future? And before you try bringing doomsday scenarios into that, no official prediction I've read supports a Venus-like scenario. On the other hand, simply by following current trends in 50 years we'll have massively increased resources and tech: great batteries, probably fusion, AI, efficient carbon capture and the cheap power to do it etc. So by pushing against climate change now, when we're still relatively poor and primitive, you just divert resources from growth and end up killing more people than needed.

maxbond 4y ago
You're counting chickens a bit early.
CyanBird 4y ago
>Cold-related deaths decreased something like 1-2 orders of magnitude more than a paltry increase in heat deaths I think this might be important to mention Most of the world indeed does not live in the US or Europe
tsimionescu 4y ago
Wow, that's almost delusional. It's like you don't understand what drought is, or haven't looked at any of the predictions about heat waves, the mass extinction events, the extreme weather, the fires... This is a new level of madness from the fight against the fight against climate change. Don't look up, my friend.
- radu_floricica 4y ago
  Yeah, delusional. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... > 8·52% were cold-related and 0·91% were heat-related [...] Eastern Europe had the highest heat-related excess death rate and Sub-Saharan Africa had the highest cold-related excess death rate. Or look here and show me the disasters we're likely to have: https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/spm/ https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/spm/ Cause a see a bunch of "not good", but I somehow fail to see any "billions will die". Or is that not an official enough source for you? But yeah, it's easy to say "delusional" and drop a bunch of scary words without context. Drought is the thing farmers deal with every few years for literally over 10 millennia. Fires? Extreme weather? yeah, we have that, daily. Without putting some numbers on that it's just fearmongering. But putting numbers makes your position vulnerable - because on one hand global warming does have some good effects, and also wealth and tech more than compensate the ill-effects. For example you may find numbers on extreme weather increasing - but if you look at people affected by it, it's steadily going down. Not exactly the picture you're trying to paint with the scary words.

badpun 4y ago

We can't be in denial about climate changes having positive effects as well - e.g. cold countries will spend less on winter heating. That's normal, basically every phenomenon has positive and negative consequences, and what ultimately counts is the net impact.

magnetic-recoil 4y ago

I think this might have been a bad choice of words, I interpret the writer as intending "enjoyed" here to mean "to have had the use or benefit of" the warmest October, rather than explicitly endorsing that unseasonably warm weather is pleasurable. One does not need to be satisfied by something they "enjoy", especially in formal or legal language.