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iMessage is more secure at least if both ends have iCloud backups off.

• ricardobayes 4y ago
  iMessage and iPhones being 'more secure' is simply not true. I know it's being thrown around a lot, but e.g. Pegasus famously had zero-click exploits for iMessage.
  • easrng 4y ago
    iMessage is (at least somewhat) end to end encrypted and SMS is not.
    • adlpz 4y ago
      SMS is very uncommon in much of Europe. I'm feeling you are assuming that the alternative to iMessages in Europe is SMS. It's not. The alternative is WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, Facebook Messenger, etc.
      • easrng 4y ago
        Signal > WhatsApp > iMessage > Telegram > Facebook Messenger > SMS
        • gruez 4y ago
          >WhatsApp > ... > Facebook Messenger why? They're both end to end encrypted but owned by meta.
          • aendruk 4y ago
            Signal, WhatsApp, and iMessage frame privacy from the service operator as the norm, while the others relegate it to some “I’m being sneaky now” switch. Framing fundamental privacy measures as sneaky mode is actively harmful to their broader adoption, paints a target on the few people who do have dire need for protection, and makes us all vulnerable to efforts to legislate against what progress we’ve made.
            • vetinari 4y ago
              > Signal, WhatsApp, and iMessage make E2EE the norm E2E. yes; explicit key management, no. So basically you are getting encryption on your device, but do not know, who can decrypt. About the only messaging app that makes some effort on key verification and keys cannot be changed randomly is Threema.
              • aendruk 4y ago
                (?) You’re replying under a thread about the ranking of WhatsApp vs. Facebook Messenger in a list that doesn’t even include Threema.
                • vetinari 4y ago
                  The thread developed into E2EE. Threema was an example how to do it more correctly, and to show what the others are doing wrong, giving an incorrect sense of security when there is none.
        • aendruk 4y ago
          Is this how you estimate people in Europe do rank alternatives, or just how you think they should?
          • easrng 4y ago
            That's just how I rank alternatives.