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In addition to what you've said, nobody is forcing anybody to use sudo. Most of my systems don't have it at all — it's simply not necessary. Some of the others

In addition to what you've said, nobody is forcing anybody to use sudo. Most of my systems don't have it at all — it's simply not necessary. Some of the others use the lightweight doas ported from OpenBSD: https://github.com/Duncaen/OpenDoas https://github.com/Duncaen/OpenDoas

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
> nobody is forcing anybody to use sudo Some folks kind of are; for instance, last time I looked Arch Linux has sudo as part of base so it's hard to remove. Edit: Sorry, apparently Arch does let you remove sudo (now?). If you substitute in RHEL et al. the general point stands (and I actually checked this time and Rocky 8 makes unhappy noises if you ask it to remove sudo), but my initial example was wrong.
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
  Don't remember it ever being a problem tbh. Haven't had it installed for quite some time (since I discovered doas). I just installed it and then removed to re-check: $ yay -Rsn sudo checking dependencies... :: libisoburn optionally requires sudo: for use with xorriso-dd-target :: pacman-contrib optionally requires sudo: privilege elevation for several scripts :: refind optionally requires sudo: for privilege elevation in refind-install and refind-mkdefault :: wireguard-tools optionally requires sudo: elevate privileges :: yay optionally requires sudo: privilege elevation Package (1) Old Version Net Change sudo 1.9.12.p1-1 -7.10 MiB Total Removed Size: 7.10 MiB :: Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] :: Processing package changes... (1/1) removing sudo [###############################################] 100% :: Running post-transaction hooks... (1/2) Reloading system manager configuration... (2/2) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate... libisoburn, refind, wg, yay can be elevated by doas or su. pacman-contrib is a bunch of package development scripts. Your typical user won't have them. Also the previous point applies.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    Strange; now I've tried it and it does indeed work. I'm fairly sure I tried that before and it wouldn't let me remove sudo, which was irritating because I switched to using doas and didn't like having sudo around. Assuming my memory isn't failing me, that must have been fixed fairly recently.
- arbitrandomuser 4y ago
  https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/sudo/ https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/sudo/ Looks like nothing else in core depends on sudo, most packages from extra/community that need it have it as an optional dependency, looks like one can remove sudo on Arch
- tmtvl 4y ago
  In Arch sudo is (was? I'm on OpenSUSE TW so I can't check) needed for base-devel, not base. Arch's base is really minimalist, though.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

> nobody is forcing anybody to use sudo Some folks kind of are; for instance, last time I looked Arch Linux has sudo as part of base so it's hard to remove. Edit: Sorry, apparently Arch does let you remove sudo (now?). If you substitute in RHEL et al. the general point stands (and I actually checked this time and Rocky 8 makes unhappy noises if you ask it to remove sudo), but my initial example was wrong.

5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
Don't remember it ever being a problem tbh. Haven't had it installed for quite some time (since I discovered doas). I just installed it and then removed to re-check: $ yay -Rsn sudo checking dependencies... :: libisoburn optionally requires sudo: for use with xorriso-dd-target :: pacman-contrib optionally requires sudo: privilege elevation for several scripts :: refind optionally requires sudo: for privilege elevation in refind-install and refind-mkdefault :: wireguard-tools optionally requires sudo: elevate privileges :: yay optionally requires sudo: privilege elevation Package (1) Old Version Net Change sudo 1.9.12.p1-1 -7.10 MiB Total Removed Size: 7.10 MiB :: Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] :: Processing package changes... (1/1) removing sudo [###############################################] 100% :: Running post-transaction hooks... (1/2) Reloading system manager configuration... (2/2) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate... libisoburn, refind, wg, yay can be elevated by doas or su. pacman-contrib is a bunch of package development scripts. Your typical user won't have them. Also the previous point applies.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  Strange; now I've tried it and it does indeed work. I'm fairly sure I tried that before and it wouldn't let me remove sudo, which was irritating because I switched to using doas and didn't like having sudo around. Assuming my memory isn't failing me, that must have been fixed fairly recently.
arbitrandomuser 4y ago
https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/sudo/ https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/sudo/ Looks like nothing else in core depends on sudo, most packages from extra/community that need it have it as an optional dependency, looks like one can remove sudo on Arch
tmtvl 4y ago
In Arch sudo is (was? I'm on OpenSUSE TW so I can't check) needed for base-devel, not base. Arch's base is really minimalist, though.