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> with the iPhone SE you can get a $400 iPhone Which is an absolute joke of a phone unless you just value the apple logo that much, which most of Europe doesn'

by bakugo 4y ago

> with the iPhone SE you can get a $400 iPhone Which is an absolute joke of a phone unless you just value the apple logo that much, which most of Europe doesn't. 720p screen? 4gb ram? What decade are we in again?

philliphaydon 4y ago
Every time someone complains about ram in the iPhone it’s evidence they don’t know what they are talking about and chase the numbers trends of android.
- bakugo 4y ago
  If you're not paying for numbers, what are you paying for then? What reason could there be to pay $400 for a 2022 iphone that doesn't provide anything that a $400 android from 5 years ago doesn't?
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Well I’m not paying for ram. Obviously everything is subjective but iOS is better than android, better camera, better eco system, better privacy and security, better battery life over time, better lifetime support, etc etc etc. iPhone runs well on 3gb, 4gb, 6gb. It’s far more optimised than android. The same cannot be said for android. Over time lack of ram cripples it.
    - approxim8ion 4y ago
      the battery life on the new SE is dreadful from day 1. Everything else is broadly true.
  - dmit 4y ago
    > If you're not paying for numbers, what are you paying for then? Oh honey...
  - uni_rule 4y ago
    a smug sense of superior and/or very long term OS updates
dmit 4y ago
Yes, Europe absolutely detests having a phone that fits in your hand.
- adlpz 4y ago
  That's a weird take. There are better phones that fit on your hand. It's like saying that people don't like licorice because people absolutely detest eating. Maybe it is because it tastes like shit to them.
  - girvo 4y ago
    This is the weirdest take I’ve seen on iPhone hating yet.
- bakugo 4y ago
  I never said anything bad about the actual size of the screen because I don't think it's a bad thing. The problem is that the phone has a tiny screen, tiny specs but a not-so-tiny price.
fbdab103 4y ago
Granted, I am a weird tech literate guy who wastes his time on hacker news, but what other capabilities does a phone require? I check my email, browse a few websites, use something for messaging, and call Uber/Lyft. How would superior phone specs improve my life? At this point, the next step is to slim down the software, the hardware is more than sufficient.
- bakugo 4y ago
  If all you use your phone for is browsing websites and checking email, you can get a cheap chinese android for half the price that does all of that just fine.
- bigfudge 4y ago
  A cheap phone would work for that. But they are noticeably laggy and kind of grotty to use, especially once you’ve used something nicer. Kind of like going back to an ancient PC.
  - olyjohn 4y ago
    It's more like running Windows 11 on an ancient PC. If it ran Windows 3.1 when it came out, it's probably still pretty snappy if you run Windows 3.1 on it today. The cheap phones we have now could totally blow away higher end phones from the past... But security updates, and lack of support on old phones essentially means you can't do that. Because they're gonna bundle in a ton of bullshit with the security updates.
simonh 4y ago
Hilarious. A fair few techies like me are on SEs because we either get them from work, or use big screens all day so don’t value a large phone because it’s strictly a functional device. Works perfectLy fine. Anyway, why anyone would ever care about the RAM on an iPhone is beyond me.
- bakugo 4y ago
  > because we either get them from work We're discussing prices so I don't see how this is relevant in any way. > use big screens all day so don’t value a large phone because it’s strictly a functional device Then you don't need a $400 phone.
  - simonh 4y ago
    I’m my case I could choose to BYOD and some do, so price and preference absolutely both matter.
Firmwarrior 4y ago
You should pull up some benchmarks on performance of the joke phone vs $1200 Android flagship devices For laughs
FearlessNebula 4y ago
I’m not sure I agree. The people buying a $400 phone aren’t getting sweaty about the specs, the phone is just a tool for them. They probably don’t even know what 720p is

by bakugo 4y ago

philliphaydon 4y ago

Every time someone complains about ram in the iPhone it’s evidence they don’t know what they are talking about and chase the numbers trends of android.

bakugo 4y ago
If you're not paying for numbers, what are you paying for then? What reason could there be to pay $400 for a 2022 iphone that doesn't provide anything that a $400 android from 5 years ago doesn't?
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Well I’m not paying for ram. Obviously everything is subjective but iOS is better than android, better camera, better eco system, better privacy and security, better battery life over time, better lifetime support, etc etc etc. iPhone runs well on 3gb, 4gb, 6gb. It’s far more optimised than android. The same cannot be said for android. Over time lack of ram cripples it.
  - approxim8ion 4y ago
    the battery life on the new SE is dreadful from day 1. Everything else is broadly true.
- dmit 4y ago
  > If you're not paying for numbers, what are you paying for then? Oh honey...
- uni_rule 4y ago
  a smug sense of superior and/or very long term OS updates

dmit 4y ago

Yes, Europe absolutely detests having a phone that fits in your hand.

adlpz 4y ago
That's a weird take. There are better phones that fit on your hand. It's like saying that people don't like licorice because people absolutely detest eating. Maybe it is because it tastes like shit to them.
- girvo 4y ago
  This is the weirdest take I’ve seen on iPhone hating yet.
bakugo 4y ago
I never said anything bad about the actual size of the screen because I don't think it's a bad thing. The problem is that the phone has a tiny screen, tiny specs but a not-so-tiny price.

fbdab103 4y ago

Granted, I am a weird tech literate guy who wastes his time on hacker news, but what other capabilities does a phone require? I check my email, browse a few websites, use something for messaging, and call Uber/Lyft. How would superior phone specs improve my life? At this point, the next step is to slim down the software, the hardware is more than sufficient.

bakugo 4y ago
If all you use your phone for is browsing websites and checking email, you can get a cheap chinese android for half the price that does all of that just fine.
bigfudge 4y ago
A cheap phone would work for that. But they are noticeably laggy and kind of grotty to use, especially once you’ve used something nicer. Kind of like going back to an ancient PC.
- olyjohn 4y ago
  It's more like running Windows 11 on an ancient PC. If it ran Windows 3.1 when it came out, it's probably still pretty snappy if you run Windows 3.1 on it today. The cheap phones we have now could totally blow away higher end phones from the past... But security updates, and lack of support on old phones essentially means you can't do that. Because they're gonna bundle in a ton of bullshit with the security updates.

simonh 4y ago

Hilarious. A fair few techies like me are on SEs because we either get them from work, or use big screens all day so don’t value a large phone because it’s strictly a functional device. Works perfectLy fine. Anyway, why anyone would ever care about the RAM on an iPhone is beyond me.

bakugo 4y ago
> because we either get them from work We're discussing prices so I don't see how this is relevant in any way. > use big screens all day so don’t value a large phone because it’s strictly a functional device Then you don't need a $400 phone.
- simonh 4y ago
  I’m my case I could choose to BYOD and some do, so price and preference absolutely both matter.

Firmwarrior 4y ago

You should pull up some benchmarks on performance of the joke phone vs $1200 Android flagship devices For laughs

FearlessNebula 4y ago

I’m not sure I agree. The people buying a $400 phone aren’t getting sweaty about the specs, the phone is just a tool for them. They probably don’t even know what 720p is