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Serious question: is COVID-19 still a thing? From wherever on Earth and whoever I see, life is completely back to normal though I have no friends in China. Is

Serious question: is COVID-19 still a thing? From wherever on Earth and whoever I see, life is completely back to normal though I have no friends in China. Is COVID still impacting work in China?

bdcravens 4y ago
China has far more restrictions than others when there are outbreaks of cases. https://www.politico.eu/article/china-maintain-zero-covid-policy/ https://www.politico.eu/article/china-maintain-zero-covid-po...
thepasswordis 4y ago
You are commenting on a press release where apple is saying that covid19 is impacting the factories where their iPhones are made. Yes. Covid is still impacting work in China.
- can16358p 4y ago
thatguy0900 4y ago
China is still trying to aggressively maintain a zero covid policy
- arcticfox 4y ago
  This is kind of fascinating. I’m not a Covid denier or anything along those lines, but a zero covid policy at this point (widely available vaccinations, clear endemic status) just seems like a crazy policy. Like maybe the craziest thing I’ve heard of from modern China
  - piggybox 4y ago
    Yes it's crazy, to say the least
  - rippercushions 4y ago
    The craziest thing is that increasing amounts of Chinese people agree, and the CCP (read: Xi) still has not blinked.
  - Tempest1981 4y ago
    What is the vaccination rate there? Are their vaccines as effective? New variants?
    - theshrike79 4y ago
      The Chinese government lobbied HARD against the western RNA vaccines in the beginning. Their own vaccine didn't work with the newer variants, RNA stuff worked. It was too late to undo the lobbying they did in the first place. Now lockdowns are their only option to stop a pandemic. On the other hand the lockdowns are so strict that people are dying because of them (no food, medicine, etc. Doors physically welded shut)
  - JimDabell 4y ago
    Why is it crazy? It’s not endemic in China, and even if everybody in China were fully vaccinated, getting to endemic state would result in millions dead. Covid is still dangerous in aggregate, even with a vaccine. There’s 1.4 billion people in China; even a tiny fraction of them dying of Covid would be a huge death toll. And that’s not counting the permanent disabilities resulting from long Covid. What’s crazy is this idea that just because the rest of the world has given up on stopping Covid, that China should just let it rip. That would be devastating to China, why would they do that? Even if you don’t care about the death and disability, it doesn’t make economic sense. Temporary targeted lockdowns are less damaging to the Chinese economy in both the short and long term than rampant death and disability.
    - xvector 4y ago
      > That would be devastating to China, why would they do that? To let people get on with life. The people of the world overwhelmingly voted to get back to life even though COVID hasn't gone away. China's people want to do the same, but Xi doesn't care, that's the only reason this policy still exists. It comes down to not giving a shit about what your citizens want.
      - JimDabell 4y ago
        > To let people get on with life. But people in China are getting on with life. Lockdowns are the exception, not the rule. You’re also ignoring the millions of people that would die or become disabled. That’s not “getting on with life”, that’s the opposite. > The people of the world overwhelmingly voted to get back to life even though COVID hasn't gone away. No they didn’t. Those were decisions governments made, there was no vote. They were also decisions made after Covid became endemic in those countries. The consequences for China to let it rip when hardly anybody in China has had Covid are entirely different to the consequences for other countries to let it rip when it’s already endemic. China isn’t in that position so why would they make decisions as if they were when the consequences are so different? > China's people want to do the same How have you determined that?
    - concordDance 4y ago
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AdamJacobMuller 4y ago
I was contemplating a visit there for work. 14 day quarantine in a state hotel, you're not allowed to leave the room. A further 7 day quarantine in another hotel though you're allowed to leave for work. Crazy.
- tomcam 4y ago
  You just described the best case scenario. It is also possible that whatever city you visit you could have a Covid lockdown of indeterminate length due to the insane zero Covid policy.
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mensetmanusman 4y ago
Covid is peaking in China now. It’s like April 2020 for them.
- nnx 4y ago
  Luckily it's not a much milder virus now (Omicron vs original strains) and 90%+ of cases are asymptomatic...
Ruq 4y ago
Everything I have seen and read would seem to indicate that China's Government is drunk on the extra power and control their "Zero-COVID" policy gives them; they don't seem keen on giving that power up. COVID doesn't even matter.
- xvector 4y ago
fnordpiglet 4y ago
In the US 360 people die each day from COVID, about three times more than a significant flu season. For them and their family it’s still a thing I suppose. But given the low vaccination rates in China and the low natural immunity it’s necessarily a thing. I don’t know how they exit their zero COVID policy. Given how draconian they are in other respects I’m surprised it’s so hands off with respect to vaccination.
015a 4y ago
Its important to note: China was extremely late to the mRNA vaccine game. The vast majority of their population was vaccinated with traditional inactive virus vaccines, which have been observed to be less effective than mRNA. Their mRNA vaccine, Walvax's ARCoV, is still in phase 3 trials. They're among the oldest populations in the world; using outdated vaccine technology; on a population that's the most dense in the world; and a governmental culture of understating statistics to make the party look good. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01690-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01690-3
- c1sc0 4y ago
  What if delaying vaccination for older people is a way to solve the problem they’re having with an ageing population?
kylehotchkiss 4y ago
You need to be vaccinated to travel to many places still, and given how many people are opposed to vaccinations, their passport doesn't have the power it used to. There's a patchwork of masking policies, which I've recently read are applied as arbitrarily as "you must apply your mask mid-flight when the airplane crosses over the international border of your destination to adhere to local covid policy" (this was for a large country in Asia). Even in California there's still Covid Opening Instruction sheets pasted to all the doors. I even saw a new "please maintain 6 feet distance from others" sign in the grocery store today. It feels this modern parallel to abandoned soviet theme parks. Weird covid-era policies just there lurking from some eerie event in the past.
slowmotiony 4y ago
Here in Germany people still freak out about it, you still need masks on public transport for example. You had to wear them during air travel as well, at least up until around a month ago when someone leaked a photo of government officials maskless in an airplane so this rule is no longer enforced. :-))
- top_sigrid 4y ago
  With a mask mandate for public transport as the only mass-wide measure, which is not even followed nor enforced too much, I strongly disagree with your wording, that people freak out about it. (Not even arguing about the pro and cons of this measure, but the benefits of it are actually quite evident). Also your claim that rules are not enforced because of a "leaked photo of a government official" lacks any reasoning and evidence.
  - slowmotiony 4y ago
    Yeah I mean just imagine the horror if you allowed people to take a train without a mask. It would be like literally all the other countries in the EU. Isn't that horrific? I can't even imagine it. Thank God for the mask mandates, the benefits are evident! Oh and the fact that airplane mask mandates were abandoned after over 2 years, just days after Scholz got his photo leaked? Total coincidence. Yup. Unsubstantiated. https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/mask-free-travel-on-german-chancellor-s-plane-prompts-fresh-debate-122082400164_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/ma...
    - top_sigrid 4y ago
      The tone of your comment as well as the logic of your argument is so personal and unobjective, my interest in answering is very low. Nobody was talking about horror. This is a very unobtrusive measure that is proven to be effective - not only against covid - that also protects vulnerable people that use public infrastructure. The benefit of masks is so evident, I don't even want to point to singular sources, so here you can see an overview: https://scholar.google.de/scholar?q=masks+covid https://scholar.google.de/scholar?q=masks+covid . And to your second point, the logic of drawing conclusions from correlations is simply conspiracy level, no more.
DoctorOW 4y ago
I'm in the United States and we still have people testing positive where I work. Unfortunately, the US handled COVID rather poorly and it's had lasting consequences for those who work in the country.

Serious question: is COVID-19 still a thing? From wherever on Earth and whoever I see, life is completely back to normal though I have no friends in China. Is COVID still impacting work in China?

bdcravens 4y ago

China has far more restrictions than others when there are outbreaks of cases. https://www.politico.eu/article/china-maintain-zero-covid-policy/ https://www.politico.eu/article/china-maintain-zero-covid-po...

thepasswordis 4y ago

You are commenting on a press release where apple is saying that covid19 is impacting the factories where their iPhones are made. Yes. Covid is still impacting work in China.

can16358p 4y ago

thatguy0900 4y ago

China is still trying to aggressively maintain a zero covid policy

arcticfox 4y ago
This is kind of fascinating. I’m not a Covid denier or anything along those lines, but a zero covid policy at this point (widely available vaccinations, clear endemic status) just seems like a crazy policy. Like maybe the craziest thing I’ve heard of from modern China
- piggybox 4y ago
  Yes it's crazy, to say the least
- rippercushions 4y ago
  The craziest thing is that increasing amounts of Chinese people agree, and the CCP (read: Xi) still has not blinked.
- Tempest1981 4y ago
  What is the vaccination rate there? Are their vaccines as effective? New variants?
  - theshrike79 4y ago
    The Chinese government lobbied HARD against the western RNA vaccines in the beginning. Their own vaccine didn't work with the newer variants, RNA stuff worked. It was too late to undo the lobbying they did in the first place. Now lockdowns are their only option to stop a pandemic. On the other hand the lockdowns are so strict that people are dying because of them (no food, medicine, etc. Doors physically welded shut)
- JimDabell 4y ago
  Why is it crazy? It’s not endemic in China, and even if everybody in China were fully vaccinated, getting to endemic state would result in millions dead. Covid is still dangerous in aggregate, even with a vaccine. There’s 1.4 billion people in China; even a tiny fraction of them dying of Covid would be a huge death toll. And that’s not counting the permanent disabilities resulting from long Covid. What’s crazy is this idea that just because the rest of the world has given up on stopping Covid, that China should just let it rip. That would be devastating to China, why would they do that? Even if you don’t care about the death and disability, it doesn’t make economic sense. Temporary targeted lockdowns are less damaging to the Chinese economy in both the short and long term than rampant death and disability.
  - xvector 4y ago
    > That would be devastating to China, why would they do that? To let people get on with life. The people of the world overwhelmingly voted to get back to life even though COVID hasn't gone away. China's people want to do the same, but Xi doesn't care, that's the only reason this policy still exists. It comes down to not giving a shit about what your citizens want.
    - JimDabell 4y ago
      > To let people get on with life. But people in China are getting on with life. Lockdowns are the exception, not the rule. You’re also ignoring the millions of people that would die or become disabled. That’s not “getting on with life”, that’s the opposite. > The people of the world overwhelmingly voted to get back to life even though COVID hasn't gone away. No they didn’t. Those were decisions governments made, there was no vote. They were also decisions made after Covid became endemic in those countries. The consequences for China to let it rip when hardly anybody in China has had Covid are entirely different to the consequences for other countries to let it rip when it’s already endemic. China isn’t in that position so why would they make decisions as if they were when the consequences are so different? > China's people want to do the same How have you determined that?
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AdamJacobMuller 4y ago

I was contemplating a visit there for work. 14 day quarantine in a state hotel, you're not allowed to leave the room. A further 7 day quarantine in another hotel though you're allowed to leave for work. Crazy.

tomcam 4y ago
You just described the best case scenario. It is also possible that whatever city you visit you could have a Covid lockdown of indeterminate length due to the insane zero Covid policy.
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mensetmanusman 4y ago

Covid is peaking in China now. It’s like April 2020 for them.

nnx 4y ago
Luckily it's not a much milder virus now (Omicron vs original strains) and 90%+ of cases are asymptomatic...

Ruq 4y ago

Everything I have seen and read would seem to indicate that China's Government is drunk on the extra power and control their "Zero-COVID" policy gives them; they don't seem keen on giving that power up. COVID doesn't even matter.

xvector 4y ago

fnordpiglet 4y ago

In the US 360 people die each day from COVID, about three times more than a significant flu season. For them and their family it’s still a thing I suppose. But given the low vaccination rates in China and the low natural immunity it’s necessarily a thing. I don’t know how they exit their zero COVID policy. Given how draconian they are in other respects I’m surprised it’s so hands off with respect to vaccination.

015a 4y ago

Its important to note: China was extremely late to the mRNA vaccine game. The vast majority of their population was vaccinated with traditional inactive virus vaccines, which have been observed to be less effective than mRNA. Their mRNA vaccine, Walvax's ARCoV, is still in phase 3 trials. They're among the oldest populations in the world; using outdated vaccine technology; on a population that's the most dense in the world; and a governmental culture of understating statistics to make the party look good. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01690-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01690-3

c1sc0 4y ago
What if delaying vaccination for older people is a way to solve the problem they’re having with an ageing population?

kylehotchkiss 4y ago

You need to be vaccinated to travel to many places still, and given how many people are opposed to vaccinations, their passport doesn't have the power it used to. There's a patchwork of masking policies, which I've recently read are applied as arbitrarily as "you must apply your mask mid-flight when the airplane crosses over the international border of your destination to adhere to local covid policy" (this was for a large country in Asia). Even in California there's still Covid Opening Instruction sheets pasted to all the doors. I even saw a new "please maintain 6 feet distance from others" sign in the grocery store today. It feels this modern parallel to abandoned soviet theme parks. Weird covid-era policies just there lurking from some eerie event in the past.

slowmotiony 4y ago

Here in Germany people still freak out about it, you still need masks on public transport for example. You had to wear them during air travel as well, at least up until around a month ago when someone leaked a photo of government officials maskless in an airplane so this rule is no longer enforced. :-))

top_sigrid 4y ago
With a mask mandate for public transport as the only mass-wide measure, which is not even followed nor enforced too much, I strongly disagree with your wording, that people freak out about it. (Not even arguing about the pro and cons of this measure, but the benefits of it are actually quite evident). Also your claim that rules are not enforced because of a "leaked photo of a government official" lacks any reasoning and evidence.
- slowmotiony 4y ago
  Yeah I mean just imagine the horror if you allowed people to take a train without a mask. It would be like literally all the other countries in the EU. Isn't that horrific? I can't even imagine it. Thank God for the mask mandates, the benefits are evident! Oh and the fact that airplane mask mandates were abandoned after over 2 years, just days after Scholz got his photo leaked? Total coincidence. Yup. Unsubstantiated. https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/mask-free-travel-on-german-chancellor-s-plane-prompts-fresh-debate-122082400164_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/ma...
  - top_sigrid 4y ago
    The tone of your comment as well as the logic of your argument is so personal and unobjective, my interest in answering is very low. Nobody was talking about horror. This is a very unobtrusive measure that is proven to be effective - not only against covid - that also protects vulnerable people that use public infrastructure. The benefit of masks is so evident, I don't even want to point to singular sources, so here you can see an overview: https://scholar.google.de/scholar?q=masks+covid https://scholar.google.de/scholar?q=masks+covid . And to your second point, the logic of drawing conclusions from correlations is simply conspiracy level, no more.

DoctorOW 4y ago

I'm in the United States and we still have people testing positive where I work. Unfortunately, the US handled COVID rather poorly and it's had lasting consequences for those who work in the country.