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I think it's interesting to see how much most people around here and reddit are convinced hydrogen personal vehicles won't work out while at the same time the l

by sidibe 4y ago

I think it's interesting to see how much most people around here and reddit are convinced hydrogen personal vehicles won't work out while at the same time the largest carmaker seems very much to believe it will be the future.

XorNot 4y ago
Hydrogen inherits a lot of infrastructure problems without the advantages of batteries. Charging an EV at home is slow, but it's a reliable fallback you can use all the time. With no EV infrastructure, I could happily own one today. With no hydrogen infrastructure...I'm just stuck. There's no path forward at the moment to refueling with H2 at home.
- fomine3 4y ago
  For who can't have home/parking charger, it's not happy to own EV today, though no hydrogen station is far more problem.
BLKNSLVR 4y ago
> the largest carmaker seems very much to believe it will be the future Tesla are arguably a long way ahead on electric cars, so it would make sense for the, currently, largest carmaker to be touting something else. It maintains a 'normal' that's more similar to the status quo than electric cars, and being the largest carmaker, change would not be something they'd like to encourage. This being closer to the current status quo could help it greatly if fossil fuel logistics and infrastructure could be minimally re-worked to cater to hydrogen. It also could end being stupidly fiercely politically aligned where democrats are all supporting and driving electric and republicans hydrogen.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  Don't most of the major automakers electric vehicles compare reasonably to Tesla? Like Tesla likely has better costs on their batteries, but that doesn't represent a whole lot when the other automakers have only recently started to invest in that production. And for example, the F-150 Lighting isn't at huge volume, but it's more available than ye olde Cybertruck.
jp0d 4y ago
Yes, absolutely. EV's have a lot of limitations. The batteries degrade in capacity and are toxic. They're quite heavy and can explode (things have improved a lot). The chemicals used in the batteries are toxic. Countries that are still dependant on fossil fuel for electricity, aren't going to reap much environmental benefits out of these EVs that need to be charged from the grid. And last but the most obvious one is the time it takes to charge batteries.
stubish 4y ago
The race is won in many regions, at least for cars. But in regions with low uptake of EVs, such as Australia for example, the race is still on. There are significant problems that still need to be addressed for EVs to reach their tipping point, and they will be addressed. But HFC cars could surprise people and come out ahead if a way can be found to transport fuel efficiently. Especially if the tech to convert diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen can be done cost effectively, meaning large fleets could be converted without waiting for vehicles needing to be replaced.

by sidibe 4y ago

XorNot 4y ago

Hydrogen inherits a lot of infrastructure problems without the advantages of batteries. Charging an EV at home is slow, but it's a reliable fallback you can use all the time. With no EV infrastructure, I could happily own one today. With no hydrogen infrastructure...I'm just stuck. There's no path forward at the moment to refueling with H2 at home.

fomine3 4y ago
For who can't have home/parking charger, it's not happy to own EV today, though no hydrogen station is far more problem.

BLKNSLVR 4y ago

> the largest carmaker seems very much to believe it will be the future Tesla are arguably a long way ahead on electric cars, so it would make sense for the, currently, largest carmaker to be touting something else. It maintains a 'normal' that's more similar to the status quo than electric cars, and being the largest carmaker, change would not be something they'd like to encourage. This being closer to the current status quo could help it greatly if fossil fuel logistics and infrastructure could be minimally re-worked to cater to hydrogen. It also could end being stupidly fiercely politically aligned where democrats are all supporting and driving electric and republicans hydrogen.

maxerickson 4y ago
Don't most of the major automakers electric vehicles compare reasonably to Tesla? Like Tesla likely has better costs on their batteries, but that doesn't represent a whole lot when the other automakers have only recently started to invest in that production. And for example, the F-150 Lighting isn't at huge volume, but it's more available than ye olde Cybertruck.

jp0d 4y ago

Yes, absolutely. EV's have a lot of limitations. The batteries degrade in capacity and are toxic. They're quite heavy and can explode (things have improved a lot). The chemicals used in the batteries are toxic. Countries that are still dependant on fossil fuel for electricity, aren't going to reap much environmental benefits out of these EVs that need to be charged from the grid. And last but the most obvious one is the time it takes to charge batteries.

stubish 4y ago

The race is won in many regions, at least for cars. But in regions with low uptake of EVs, such as Australia for example, the race is still on. There are significant problems that still need to be addressed for EVs to reach their tipping point, and they will be addressed. But HFC cars could surprise people and come out ahead if a way can be found to transport fuel efficiently. Especially if the tech to convert diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen can be done cost effectively, meaning large fleets could be converted without waiting for vehicles needing to be replaced.