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Someone here a while back was talking about how in the farming industry, "leaky" vaccines have been used for a long time. They mentioned that in the poultry ind

Someone here a while back was talking about how in the farming industry, "leaky" vaccines have been used for a long time. They mentioned that in the poultry industry that just resulted in viruses evolving to be fantastically virulent, which means that unvaccinated populations of chickens have viruses just rip through them at unbelievable speed. Note that this doesn't mean that the viruses are more dangerous, just that they're more evasive against that first line of immune defence and are harder to avoid. What does this have to do with iPhones? China can't keep up their zero-COVID policy forever. While they keep trying, COVID is slowly becoming more and more virulent overseas due to our use of leaky vaccines. Either they give up now, and deal with the fast-but-maybe-manageable wave of infections, or they wait until it evolves to be so infectious that it becomes totally unmanageable. They're stretching a rubber band further and further while repeatedly mumbling something about a "not letting go policy".

epolanski 4y ago
I am no expert but as it becomes more infetious it also becomes less dangerous.
- dboreham 4y ago
  Usually
- astrange 4y ago
  There’s no rule saying that happens. Most likely for earlier pandemics, it’s us that changed to make it less dangerous, by dying until we evolved past it.
slaw 4y ago
China can keep covid policy for another 15 years. Xi is only 69 and previous China's dictator Mao lived till 82. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  I mean that it literally won't matter what the official policy is. Eventually COVID will become so virulent that no amount of lockdowns will stop it spreading. E.g.: by the time a case is detected and a lockdown enforced, it'll have spread too far to contain. Rinse and repeat and there will be "hotspots" everywhere, impossible to contain.
  - slaw 4y ago
    It is impossible to contain now and China's dictatorship doesn't care.
    - jiggawatts 4y ago
      It can become even more virulent. Much more. To the point that containment becomes obviously futile. Right now, it is "working", for some definition of that word. Eventually there won't be any definition of "working" that will remain true.
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epolanski 4y ago

I am no expert but as it becomes more infetious it also becomes less dangerous.

dboreham 4y ago
Usually
astrange 4y ago
There’s no rule saying that happens. Most likely for earlier pandemics, it’s us that changed to make it less dangerous, by dying until we evolved past it.

slaw 4y ago

China can keep covid policy for another 15 years. Xi is only 69 and previous China's dictator Mao lived till 82. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

jiggawatts 4y ago
I mean that it literally won't matter what the official policy is. Eventually COVID will become so virulent that no amount of lockdowns will stop it spreading. E.g.: by the time a case is detected and a lockdown enforced, it'll have spread too far to contain. Rinse and repeat and there will be "hotspots" everywhere, impossible to contain.
- slaw 4y ago
  It is impossible to contain now and China's dictatorship doesn't care.
  - jiggawatts 4y ago
    It can become even more virulent. Much more. To the point that containment becomes obviously futile. Right now, it is "working", for some definition of that word. Eventually there won't be any definition of "working" that will remain true.
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