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Xi's obsession with "zero-covid" will continue to lead to things like this, and will seriously wreck their attractiveness as a manufacturing hub for the world o

Xi's obsession with "zero-covid" will continue to lead to things like this, and will seriously wreck their attractiveness as a manufacturing hub for the world over time.

threeseed 4y ago
According to WHO, China's Sinopharm COVID vaccine has "not yet been evaluated in the context of circulation of widespread variants of concern". So maybe they don't have a choice and that letting COVID run through whilst everyone could be effectively unvaccinated would quickly overwhelm their health care system and lead to mass death. Xi very much cares about political stability and it would be pretty toxic if China has all of these troubles whilst the rest of the world has moved on.
- shagie 4y ago
  China could have bought vaccines from other makers. Sinopharm wasn't very effective to begin with ( https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sinopharm-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sin... has it at 79% compared to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines starting out in the mid 90% range). ... and then you get a visitor to Shanghai Disney testing positive and https://youtu.be/yioG7mK01U0 https://youtu.be/yioG7mK01U0 Realizing that I am delving into speculation, this sounds more like the refinement of establishing a police state where one can use "someone you came in contact with tested positive for Covid" and shutting down large segments of a city and sending people to government quarantine camps than a desire for political stability.
taolegal 4y ago
Puzzling that this is downvoted
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endisneigh 4y ago
I'm curious how many deaths would be acceptable to you, if you were the leader? China would probably see tens of millions of deaths minimum if they had the laize-faire approach some western nations have taken. That being said it's not really clear what their exit plan is for zero-covid, as it cannot be sustained indefinitely.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  The current variants are so much milder than, say, Delta, that I would think now is as good as time as any to significantly relax the lockdown requirements and let people deal with the illness the way they would anything else of similar severity.
- gruez 4y ago
  >if they had the laize-faire approach some western nations have taken. Seems like a strawman to suggest that ending zero covid must mean going hands-off like "some western nations". Also, "tens of millions" sounds like a lot, until you realize they have more than a billion in population.
  - rl3 4y ago
    - bamboozled 4y ago
      Given more modern treatments, milder strains and vaccines, do you have a source for your tens of millions of deaths claim? Seems like hyperbole at this stage. I highly doubt zero covid is about public health, I think it's about ego and control.
      - rl3 4y ago
        >Given more modern treatments, milder strains and vaccines, do you have a source for your tens of millions of deaths claim? Not my claim. >I highly doubt zero covid is about public health, I think it's about ego and control. Agreed.
xwdv 4y ago
Never interrupt your enemy while they are in the middle of making a mistake.
- CameronNemo 4y ago
  It is Xi's mistake, but 1.4bn people suffer the consequences. Perhaps more.
  - throwaway12390 4y ago
    - xwdv 4y ago
      I feel like the individuals downvoting this should be investigated for ties to the CCP.
trap_goes_hot 4y ago
There is no way to do the experiment in an alternative universe, so everyone's opinion is equally valid. But nothing is permanent - covid or no-covid, and so no country will remain the worlds manufacturing hub forever.

Xi's obsession with "zero-covid" will continue to lead to things like this, and will seriously wreck their attractiveness as a manufacturing hub for the world over time.

threeseed 4y ago

According to WHO, China's Sinopharm COVID vaccine has "not yet been evaluated in the context of circulation of widespread variants of concern". So maybe they don't have a choice and that letting COVID run through whilst everyone could be effectively unvaccinated would quickly overwhelm their health care system and lead to mass death. Xi very much cares about political stability and it would be pretty toxic if China has all of these troubles whilst the rest of the world has moved on.

shagie 4y ago
China could have bought vaccines from other makers. Sinopharm wasn't very effective to begin with ( https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sinopharm-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sin... has it at 79% compared to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines starting out in the mid 90% range). ... and then you get a visitor to Shanghai Disney testing positive and https://youtu.be/yioG7mK01U0 https://youtu.be/yioG7mK01U0 Realizing that I am delving into speculation, this sounds more like the refinement of establishing a police state where one can use "someone you came in contact with tested positive for Covid" and shutting down large segments of a city and sending people to government quarantine camps than a desire for political stability.

taolegal 4y ago

Puzzling that this is downvoted

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endisneigh 4y ago

I'm curious how many deaths would be acceptable to you, if you were the leader? China would probably see tens of millions of deaths minimum if they had the laize-faire approach some western nations have taken. That being said it's not really clear what their exit plan is for zero-covid, as it cannot be sustained indefinitely.

rootusrootus 4y ago
The current variants are so much milder than, say, Delta, that I would think now is as good as time as any to significantly relax the lockdown requirements and let people deal with the illness the way they would anything else of similar severity.
gruez 4y ago
>if they had the laize-faire approach some western nations have taken. Seems like a strawman to suggest that ending zero covid must mean going hands-off like "some western nations". Also, "tens of millions" sounds like a lot, until you realize they have more than a billion in population.
- rl3 4y ago
  - bamboozled 4y ago
    Given more modern treatments, milder strains and vaccines, do you have a source for your tens of millions of deaths claim? Seems like hyperbole at this stage. I highly doubt zero covid is about public health, I think it's about ego and control.
    - rl3 4y ago
      >Given more modern treatments, milder strains and vaccines, do you have a source for your tens of millions of deaths claim? Not my claim. >I highly doubt zero covid is about public health, I think it's about ego and control. Agreed.

xwdv 4y ago

Never interrupt your enemy while they are in the middle of making a mistake.

CameronNemo 4y ago
It is Xi's mistake, but 1.4bn people suffer the consequences. Perhaps more.
- throwaway12390 4y ago
  - xwdv 4y ago
    I feel like the individuals downvoting this should be investigated for ties to the CCP.

trap_goes_hot 4y ago

There is no way to do the experiment in an alternative universe, so everyone's opinion is equally valid. But nothing is permanent - covid or no-covid, and so no country will remain the worlds manufacturing hub forever.