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The move to ban circumcision is picking up. You should be honest about this. This wasn't really a "race" thing. You wanted to do this to your son. You did th

The move to ban circumcision is picking up. You should be honest about this. This wasn't really a "race" thing. You *wanted* to do this to your son. You did this without his consent. And you did something that is completely irreversible. Don't compare this to fishing, riding a bike, or even using a knife. All of those are necessary skills, or at the very least, useful skills for children to know. You did something that *was actually risky to do*, for literally no other reason other than this awful justification about "race". And for what its worth, I'm Iranian. So I get how _expected_ it is from culture.

dotancohen 4y ago
> You should be honest about this. This wasn't really a "race" thing. You *wanted* > to do this to your son. It is a race thing, and you are 100% that I wanted to my child to continue the traditions that have kept us distinct for millennia. Of course. > You did this without his consent. And you did something > that is completely irreversible. That is a parent's job - to make these decisions and take the actions. Did you not have your child vaccinated for Polio, Hepatitis, Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Influenzae, Mumps, Rubella, Varicella, Papillomavirus, Tetanus, Meningococcal, Measles, Polysaccharide and Dengue? Is there no risk in and of those vaccines? Did you, as a parent, decide that the risk is worth the benefit? > Don't compare this to fishing, riding a bike, or even using a knife. All of those > are necessary skills, or at the very least, useful skills for children to know. Fair point. I'll compare it to the Western traditions of feeding excessive sugar. Would you say that the addiction and intake of excessive sugar is a necessary skill? Would you say that it carries less risk of harm than circumcision? > You did something that *was actually risky to do*, for literally no other > reason other than this awful justification about "race". Yes. Of course. > And for what its worth, I'm Iranian. So I get how _expected_ it is from culture. I understand that many Iranians today are undergoing a shedding of the influence forced upon by foreign interests - mostly in regards to the Islamic and Arab influences. Even the Iranian language is today infected with Arabic words - you'll hardly hear any sentence in Iranian today that is not using Arabic words. And I'm not referring to just the past 40 years, rather, that was a turning point but the process is actually much older. So, as I understand it, today many Iranians are shedding _all_ traditions - not only the Arab traditions but also the distinct Iranian traditions. Correct me if I'm wrong. So I really do understand your sentiment that traditions have no value. I get it. But I counter that traditions in fact do have value for those who hold them dear. Does a photograph of a parent have value? A photo of your parent has no value to me, but a photo of my parent has value to me - and I suspect vice versa. I am the distinct person I am because of the values that I hold, those values include things that we will most likely agree upon (Do not murder) but I accept that you don't value things that we don't agree upon. That's fine. But recognize that _you_ feel so passionately about circumcision not because of the risk. Other common practices have greater risk with less benefit. Rather, the media that sold you on this viewpoint specifically, had ulterior motives. I have no problem with your opinion. I do have a problem with the fervent obsession that people have with this one specific low-risk activity that Jews do, while ignoring far riskier and more prevalent activities. The media shaped your opinion with motive. Recognize that.

The move to ban circumcision is picking up. You should be honest about this. This wasn't really a "race" thing. You *wanted* to do this to your son. You did th

dotancohen 4y ago

> You should be honest about this. This wasn't really a "race" thing. You *wanted* > to do this to your son. It is a race thing, and you are 100% that I wanted to my child to continue the traditions that have kept us distinct for millennia. Of course. > You did this without his consent. And you did something > that is completely irreversible. That is a parent's job - to make these decisions and take the actions. Did you not have your child vaccinated for Polio, Hepatitis, Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Influenzae, Mumps, Rubella, Varicella, Papillomavirus, Tetanus, Meningococcal, Measles, Polysaccharide and Dengue? Is there no risk in and of those vaccines? Did you, as a parent, decide that the risk is worth the benefit? > Don't compare this to fishing, riding a bike, or even using a knife. All of those > are necessary skills, or at the very least, useful skills for children to know. Fair point. I'll compare it to the Western traditions of feeding excessive sugar. Would you say that the addiction and intake of excessive sugar is a necessary skill? Would you say that it carries less risk of harm than circumcision? > You did something that *was actually risky to do*, for literally no other > reason other than this awful justification about "race". Yes. Of course. > And for what its worth, I'm Iranian. So I get how _expected_ it is from culture. I understand that many Iranians today are undergoing a shedding of the influence forced upon by foreign interests - mostly in regards to the Islamic and Arab influences. Even the Iranian language is today infected with Arabic words - you'll hardly hear any sentence in Iranian today that is not using Arabic words. And I'm not referring to just the past 40 years, rather, that was a turning point but the process is actually much older. So, as I understand it, today many Iranians are shedding _all_ traditions - not only the Arab traditions but also the distinct Iranian traditions. Correct me if I'm wrong. So I really do understand your sentiment that traditions have no value. I get it. But I counter that traditions in fact do have value for those who hold them dear. Does a photograph of a parent have value? A photo of your parent has no value to me, but a photo of my parent has value to me - and I suspect vice versa. I am the distinct person I am because of the values that I hold, those values include things that we will most likely agree upon (Do not murder) but I accept that you don't value things that we don't agree upon. That's fine. But recognize that _you_ feel so passionately about circumcision not because of the risk. Other common practices have greater risk with less benefit. Rather, the media that sold you on this viewpoint specifically, had ulterior motives. I have no problem with your opinion. I do have a problem with the fervent obsession that people have with this one specific low-risk activity that Jews do, while ignoring far riskier and more prevalent activities. The media shaped your opinion with motive. Recognize that.