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Taiwan was never Chinese to begin with and never has been. Just because the Nationalists fled there doesn't give them the right to invade or lay claim to the is

Taiwan was never Chinese to begin with and never has been. Just because the Nationalists fled there doesn't give them the right to invade or lay claim to the island. They could, for all I care, invade Taiwan and relocate all the Chinese to China and leave Taiwan well alone.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Taiwanese indigenous peoples are 2% of the island's population. Many of the pre-1949 Chinese settlers have some aboriginal ancestry, however. I don't suppose you know the difference between benshengren and waishengren, nor care to know.
DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
Taiwan was part of China from 1683 onwards. It became a Japanese colony in 1895, and then was given back to China at the end of WWII, in 1945.
- CogitoCogito 4y ago
  The China of 1895 no longer exists. There are now three successor countries: Taiwan/ROC, China/PRC and Mongolia. Taiwan has never been part of the country today known as “China”.
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    The PRC is the only internationally recognized successor state to the China of 1895. You don't have to go back to 1895, though. In 1971, the PRC was given "China's" UN Security Council seat, which had previously been held by the ROC. Most countries withdrew their recognition of the ROC, and recognized the PRC as the sole legitimate representative of China. > Taiwan has never been part of the country today known as “China”. Countries continue to exist, even after they have revolutions or civil wars. In the view of international law, "China" has never ceased to exist. The 1911 revolution didn't extinguish it, nor did the end of the civil war in 1949, nor did the international recognition of the PRC as the sole legitimate representative of China in the 1970s. Taiwan becoming an independent state would be a revolution of sorts. You may support that change, but to pretend that it's not a change? China is not going to be fooled by that.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      > Taiwan becoming an independent state would be a revolution of sorts. Your post is correct other than for this point. It would not be a revolution, it would a reconciling of governments into the de facto reality since 1949, that Taiwan has been able to self-govern apart from the mainland (even though its economy has since then gotten quite coupled with it over the past few decades). It might be revolutionary from a legal standpoint, but the PRC/ROC distinction is truly a one-off in modern geopolitics, akin to the Korean War still technically not yet over but instead legally being a frozen conflict for seventy years. The reason why Taiwan's status has not caught up with reality yet is because of course no party is willing or able to resolve this deadlock.

Apocryphon 4y ago

Taiwanese indigenous peoples are 2% of the island's population. Many of the pre-1949 Chinese settlers have some aboriginal ancestry, however. I don't suppose you know the difference between benshengren and waishengren, nor care to know.

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago

Taiwan was part of China from 1683 onwards. It became a Japanese colony in 1895, and then was given back to China at the end of WWII, in 1945.

CogitoCogito 4y ago
The China of 1895 no longer exists. There are now three successor countries: Taiwan/ROC, China/PRC and Mongolia. Taiwan has never been part of the country today known as “China”.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  The PRC is the only internationally recognized successor state to the China of 1895. You don't have to go back to 1895, though. In 1971, the PRC was given "China's" UN Security Council seat, which had previously been held by the ROC. Most countries withdrew their recognition of the ROC, and recognized the PRC as the sole legitimate representative of China. > Taiwan has never been part of the country today known as “China”. Countries continue to exist, even after they have revolutions or civil wars. In the view of international law, "China" has never ceased to exist. The 1911 revolution didn't extinguish it, nor did the end of the civil war in 1949, nor did the international recognition of the PRC as the sole legitimate representative of China in the 1970s. Taiwan becoming an independent state would be a revolution of sorts. You may support that change, but to pretend that it's not a change? China is not going to be fooled by that.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    > Taiwan becoming an independent state would be a revolution of sorts. Your post is correct other than for this point. It would not be a revolution, it would a reconciling of governments into the de facto reality since 1949, that Taiwan has been able to self-govern apart from the mainland (even though its economy has since then gotten quite coupled with it over the past few decades). It might be revolutionary from a legal standpoint, but the PRC/ROC distinction is truly a one-off in modern geopolitics, akin to the Korean War still technically not yet over but instead legally being a frozen conflict for seventy years. The reason why Taiwan's status has not caught up with reality yet is because of course no party is willing or able to resolve this deadlock.