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The Preppers Were Right All Along

28 points by xqcgrek2 4y ago

xqcgrek2 4y ago
https://archive.ph/D6dY0 https://archive.ph/D6dY0
bitxbitxbitcoin 4y ago
If HN has taught me anything it's that this is probably survivorship bias.
rideontime 4y ago
From the few words bloomberg deigned me fit to read, is their thesis really "this is becoming more mainstream, therefore it is correct"?
- Z_Z 4y ago
  "this is becoming more mainstream, therefore it is correct" is arguably the foundation of analyzing any market trend interpretation of the meaning of correct is left as an exercise to the reader
hotpotamus 4y ago
My recommendation to any of these prepper types is to do sort of a disaster recovery plan dry run - actually take a week vacation or something like that and simulate the disaster you're planning for. So turn off the power, water, and internet and just live your plan for a bit and see how it goes. If you really want to prep, try it in a few different seasons. You'll likely discover practical issues that you can fix, but you might also find psychological issues could come up, though being free to end the simulation at any time might make it more fun than depressing. I've never done the above on purpose, but as someone who definitely has some innate prepper curiosity built in, I can say that actually living through a disaster of the sort above really disabused me of a lot of notions. You can prep for a lot, but the thought of actually trying to live through some sort of long term apocalypse is too depressing to contemplate, though perhaps that's just my perspective as someone used to living in relative affluence.
dragontamer 4y ago
I'd say the Preppers are "correct" when society collapses. Not before. Even then, I don't think that massing a collection of guns and canned goods is necessarily the best way to survive after societal collapse. Instead, it will be the people who manage to build new societies from the rubble. I'd imagine that creative engineers who can ensure clean water supply and working electricity (or other smaller services) would be more valuable. Indeed, we can look back at history and think of the Rice Kingdoms of Japan / Korea / Vietnam. Yes, there was a sizable security force (Samurai), but it was rice / food that determined power. --- The kinds of "prepping" that these preppers are aiming for is this kind of weird... Mad-Max and/or Walking Dead scenario that has more basis in fiction than history and/or reality. I'm not necessarily saying "guns aren't important'. But even ancient Sparta was unable to wage warfare without support of food-and-water. There's a reason why Athens / Athena is the goddess of wisdom + war, because war requires supplies and supplies requires logistics, and logistics (back then) required a Navy.
- HollywoodZero 4y ago
  > I'd imagine that creative engineers who can ensure clean water supply and working electricity (or other smaller services) would be more valuable In the World War Z novel, there's a section where the head of rebuilding in the US is speaking and talking about the new power structure in post-Z society as they look to rebuild. He talks about how it's the blue collar workers: carpenters, farmers, plumbers, electricians, and their skillset that end up becoming the new key individuals in society because of their ability to build up from a collapse. It's not just hoarding guns and ammo. Those can be dealt with and they are dealt with by the military. Even a smaller military still has enough resources to take care of the local militias (preppers with guns and food). But if you REALLY want to survive and thrive post collapse, it'll take practical skills to re-build.
  - quantified 4y ago
    Read Lucifer's Hammer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer%27s_Hammer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer%27s_Hammer]
- 4y ago
trablt 4y ago
Many articles designed to appeal to the other side appear in the mainstream press ahead of the elections. CNN even fact checks Biden: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/05/politics/fact-check-biden-midterms-2022/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/05/politics/fact-check-biden... Let's see how long it lasts.
pella 4y ago
(2017) “Prepper” as resilient citizen: what preppers can teach us about surviving disasters Abstract: "Prepping is a social movement of individuals and small groups that are learning how to effectively survive potential disasters and long-term change. My current research indicates that preppers believe governmental and non-governmental services are vulnerable, and thus have limitations in their ability to respond, given large-scale change due to disaster. While maintaining the belief that these services can be important for society, preppers train to meet their own individual/familial needs. This paper will discuss how those localized preparations create nodes of action that can act in supportive roles to larger systems of response, creating webs of resilience." https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315957699_Prepper_as_resilient_citizen_what_preppers_can_teach_us_about_surviving_disasters https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315957699_Prepper_a...
- specialist 4y ago
  Interesting. My buddy and his wife took some disaster survival training. He said it was very eye-opening. TLDR: We're all on our own for 72+ hours. Getting to know your neighbors beforehand is a good precaution. Per your comment, I wonder if prepper training could be a way to build communities, to replace those first lost to the automobile and now to social media.
underseacables 4y ago
“I have yet to invest in survival food products myself, in part because I’m optimistic enough to believe that we won’t need them.” This line irked me. I know it’s an opinion piece yet but this is insulting.
- Entinel 4y ago
  Why?
  - yunwal 4y ago
    It presumes that people need to be pessimistic in order to feel that prepping is worthwhile, for one. Prepping isn’t just about surviving the collapse of civilization. It’s about being ready and helpful when a natural disaster hits and your entire neighborhood is without electricity for a week. Basically, the mindset is more like “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”. Completely relying on a complex society and supply chain will leave you vulnerable.
x86x87 4y ago
The main thing for me is that prepping only work if there is a transitory situation where a buffer can make it easier to navigate. If we are going full steam ahead towards the collapse of civilization your prepping just delays the inevitable. Also, if shift hits the fan, communities that are able to band together and work together will more likely do way better. I don't care how much food and guns you have stockpiled if I can just take them away from you when I need them. If things are dire other will come for your stockpile.
- foogazi 4y ago
  > If we are going full steam ahead towards the collapse of civilization your prepping just delays the inevitable. We all die in the end - isn’t a delay of then inevitable all we do everyday ?
  - etrautmann 4y ago
    Yep, although I think the spirit of that point is that surviving the apocalypse may not be all that desirable.
    - foogazi 4y ago
      I’d rather find out and decide for myself
    - xboxnolifes 4y ago
      Society only exists as is today because people went through that "undesirable" period.
- SnowHill9902 4y ago
  Exactly. Prepping is not just stocking tuna cans and staying a nerd. It’s being physically fit, having a network of neighbors, and so on.
  - x86x87 4y ago
    now we need to workout? booooo /s
pella 4y ago
"Prepping is an act of community resilience, “the capacity to anticipate risk, limit impact, and bounce back rapidly through survival, adaptability, evolution, and growth in the face of turbulent change” (Plodinec, 2009). For example, Huddleston’s (2016) study of a Midwestern prepping group indicates that the micro-resilience of these groups enhances larger local systems and may improve a community’s ability to withstand disaster. The philosophy of preparedness encompasses protecting one’s families from disaster, homesteading and sustainability. Their belief in self-reliance, approaches to survival (sheltering in place or leaving the city), gathering resources (supplies and skills) and networking, demonstrate capacities of community resilience (Faulkner, 2018)." from: (2020) "New Yorkers’ Street Smarts and Survival Smarts During the Pandemic: Preppers, Community Resilience and Local Citizenship" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347094445_New_Yorkers'_Street_Smarts_and_Survival_Smarts_During_the_Pandemic_Preppers_Community_Resilience_and_Local_Citizenship https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347094445_New_Yorke... "Conclusion: During the COVID-19 pandemic, urban preppers bolstered community resilience by relying on prepping strategies to protect themselves and shelter in place more effectively, and sharing their knowledge and resources with their neighbors. Their philosophy of self-reliance has helped them to survive the pandemic and brace for future surges. As noted by the Partnership for New York City (2020), “the pandemic unleashed political, racial and economic tensions that can either leave the nation’s largest and most important urban center in chaos or. . .provide the impetus for working together for recovery and positive change.” Now, survival is dependent on the resilience of the city. ..."
karaterobot 4y ago
> Preppers, as the community of bunker builders and food hoarders is known, emerged during the Cold War as fears of nuclear holocaust drove some people to go to great lengths to prepare for survival in a burned-out world. The mentality of storing supplies in case of an emergency, or simply as a matter of practicality, is older than the cold war. Long term storage of food for times of need has been the rule rather than the exception for all of human history, except for maybe those few, strange decades after WWII. Drying, pickling, burying, canning, and so on: your great grandparents were certainly "preppers", if they lived in a rural area, even if they didn't know the term. The framing of this practice as a paranoiac response to the cold war was something the media created, to have some group to deride, and through tidal processes it was inevitable they would reappropriate it eventually, to have some new trend to write an article about. But really, nothing has changed: the idea that the supply chain will always be there to provide anything we want, anywhere, at any time was what was crazy, not the precaution to store things against the day you might need them.
mgarfias 4y ago
Just gonna leave this here: https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-surprisingly-solid-mathematical https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-surprisingly-solid-mathemati...
endymi0n 4y ago
[citation needed] Just looking at any of the commonly cited reasons to prep (unrest, natural disasters) especially in developed countries and how they played out in the end, what you see is neighbors banding together, volunteers arriving from all over the country and random people donating large chunks of money. I like to think of the preppers‘ cynical and pessimistic mindset as ultimate projection: Just because they would defend their food stash with a gun doesn‘t mean others wouldn‘t share their last can.
aliqot 4y ago
Self sufficiency and self reliance are just good skills to have regardless for the well being of your family. When did it become some type of negative epithet to call someone a 'prepper'? We all know the story of the grasshopper and the squirrels. One thing really irks me though about this.. It really speaks to the city privilege of some of these authors and their editors to even assume a position of "hey maybe these preppers were right all along"; how condescending. It is my way of life to harvest my own resources, build my own things, and support my community through thick and thin, that is my culture and my legacy. To use that as an ideological strawman is about as disrespectful as it gets.
- giantg2 4y ago
  "Self sufficiency and self reliance are just good skills to have regardless for the well being of your family. When did it become some type of negative epithet to call someone a 'prepper'?" I think most people who prepare are not called preppers, nor think of themselves that way. During the cold War, there were all sorts of preparedness info being given out by rhe government. Some people made bunkers, I'd say most tried to have about a month's worth of food just on a natural rotation in the pantry. I think specialization of labor and increasing wealth tends to wipe out a lot of self-reliance over generations. Why fix your own toilet if you make enough at your regular job; or work too many hours to get to it; or that you never saw your parents do that kind of work so you don't know what to even look up?
- zach_garwood 4y ago
  Grasshopper and the squirrels? I heard the fable as the grasshopper and the ants. Wouldn't the squirrels just eat the grasshopper, instead of having philosophical debates with it? I mean, c'mon, you expect me to believe that an invertebrate and a mammal even share a common language!? Inconceivable!
  - the_third_wave 4y ago
    The advantage of squirrels over ants is that the former are a lot better roasted than the latter, giving sustenance to both the listener as well as the narrator.
tomatotomato37 4y ago
As someone who lives in an area commonly threatened by hurricanes I don't know where this exclusivity between "Prepper" and "Community member" came from. I'm all for being the friendly neighbor willing to contribute when a disaster strikes, but I also don't understand how that conflates with having a generator and a few days of non-perishables stashed in a closet somewhere. Especially considering you'll just be more useful overall when you having functioning tools
jl6 4y ago
It’s hard to evaluate whether prepping was (or is) right or wrong. Although the article identifies Covid as a turning point in mainstream acceptance of prepping, it’s still notable that even during Covid prepping wasn’t actually necessary. Despite the heavy supply chain disruption, the system did ultimately pull through. Also, Covid-useful items like masks, hand-sanitizer, dexamethasone and ventilators weren’t in the typical prepper inventory (but maybe social distancing was!). So I think we must imagine a significantly more dire scenario than Covid against which to evaluate how worthwhile any given prepping activity is. Also worth watching out for is the anti-society, extreme individualist fringe of prepping culture, which is not only an unproven mitigation against societal collapse, but might actually be one of the forces that causes it.
pella 4y ago
"SHTF: Survival Tips and Stories from Bosnian War Survivors" (2021) https://www.primalsurvivor.net/shtf-survival-tips-and-stories-from-bosnian-war-survivors/ https://www.primalsurvivor.net/shtf-survival-tips-and-storie... - Supplies Will Run Out. Skills Won’t. - You Will Eat Anything - Dirty Water Will Kill You - You Will Be Bored Out of Your Mind - Don’t Get Pregnant - Get a Bike - Live Near Reusable Resources - You Will Get to Know Your Neighbors Better than Ever - Don’t Count on the Authorities - There is No Point in Fighting If You’ve Lost Your Humanity
emrah 4y ago
I agree with everyone who commented "prepping is not sufficient, we need communities to survive long term, otherwise we just delay the inevitable" Watch "Falling Skies" if you don't agree. It's a good proxy.
taylodl 4y ago
Yeah. And even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

28 points by xqcgrek2 4y ago

xqcgrek2 4y ago

https://archive.ph/D6dY0 https://archive.ph/D6dY0

bitxbitxbitcoin 4y ago

If HN has taught me anything it's that this is probably survivorship bias.

rideontime 4y ago

From the few words bloomberg deigned me fit to read, is their thesis really "this is becoming more mainstream, therefore it is correct"?

Z_Z 4y ago
"this is becoming more mainstream, therefore it is correct" is arguably the foundation of analyzing any market trend interpretation of the meaning of correct is left as an exercise to the reader

hotpotamus 4y ago

My recommendation to any of these prepper types is to do sort of a disaster recovery plan dry run - actually take a week vacation or something like that and simulate the disaster you're planning for. So turn off the power, water, and internet and just live your plan for a bit and see how it goes. If you really want to prep, try it in a few different seasons. You'll likely discover practical issues that you can fix, but you might also find psychological issues could come up, though being free to end the simulation at any time might make it more fun than depressing. I've never done the above on purpose, but as someone who definitely has some innate prepper curiosity built in, I can say that actually living through a disaster of the sort above really disabused me of a lot of notions. You can prep for a lot, but the thought of actually trying to live through some sort of long term apocalypse is too depressing to contemplate, though perhaps that's just my perspective as someone used to living in relative affluence.

dragontamer 4y ago

I'd say the Preppers are "correct" when society collapses. Not before. Even then, I don't think that massing a collection of guns and canned goods is necessarily the best way to survive after societal collapse. Instead, it will be the people who manage to build new societies from the rubble. I'd imagine that creative engineers who can ensure clean water supply and working electricity (or other smaller services) would be more valuable. Indeed, we can look back at history and think of the Rice Kingdoms of Japan / Korea / Vietnam. Yes, there was a sizable security force (Samurai), but it was rice / food that determined power. --- The kinds of "prepping" that these preppers are aiming for is this kind of weird... Mad-Max and/or Walking Dead scenario that has more basis in fiction than history and/or reality. I'm not necessarily saying "guns aren't important'. But even ancient Sparta was unable to wage warfare without support of food-and-water. There's a reason why Athens / Athena is the goddess of wisdom + war, because war requires supplies and supplies requires logistics, and logistics (back then) required a Navy.

HollywoodZero 4y ago
> I'd imagine that creative engineers who can ensure clean water supply and working electricity (or other smaller services) would be more valuable In the World War Z novel, there's a section where the head of rebuilding in the US is speaking and talking about the new power structure in post-Z society as they look to rebuild. He talks about how it's the blue collar workers: carpenters, farmers, plumbers, electricians, and their skillset that end up becoming the new key individuals in society because of their ability to build up from a collapse. It's not just hoarding guns and ammo. Those can be dealt with and they are dealt with by the military. Even a smaller military still has enough resources to take care of the local militias (preppers with guns and food). But if you REALLY want to survive and thrive post collapse, it'll take practical skills to re-build.
- quantified 4y ago
  Read Lucifer's Hammer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer%27s_Hammer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer%27s_Hammer]
4y ago

trablt 4y ago

Many articles designed to appeal to the other side appear in the mainstream press ahead of the elections. CNN even fact checks Biden: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/05/politics/fact-check-biden-midterms-2022/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/05/politics/fact-check-biden... Let's see how long it lasts.

pella 4y ago

(2017) “Prepper” as resilient citizen: what preppers can teach us about surviving disasters Abstract: "Prepping is a social movement of individuals and small groups that are learning how to effectively survive potential disasters and long-term change. My current research indicates that preppers believe governmental and non-governmental services are vulnerable, and thus have limitations in their ability to respond, given large-scale change due to disaster. While maintaining the belief that these services can be important for society, preppers train to meet their own individual/familial needs. This paper will discuss how those localized preparations create nodes of action that can act in supportive roles to larger systems of response, creating webs of resilience." https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315957699_Prepper_as_resilient_citizen_what_preppers_can_teach_us_about_surviving_disasters https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315957699_Prepper_a...

specialist 4y ago
Interesting. My buddy and his wife took some disaster survival training. He said it was very eye-opening. TLDR: We're all on our own for 72+ hours. Getting to know your neighbors beforehand is a good precaution. Per your comment, I wonder if prepper training could be a way to build communities, to replace those first lost to the automobile and now to social media.

underseacables 4y ago

“I have yet to invest in survival food products myself, in part because I’m optimistic enough to believe that we won’t need them.” This line irked me. I know it’s an opinion piece yet but this is insulting.

Entinel 4y ago
Why?
- yunwal 4y ago
  It presumes that people need to be pessimistic in order to feel that prepping is worthwhile, for one. Prepping isn’t just about surviving the collapse of civilization. It’s about being ready and helpful when a natural disaster hits and your entire neighborhood is without electricity for a week. Basically, the mindset is more like “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”. Completely relying on a complex society and supply chain will leave you vulnerable.

x86x87 4y ago

The main thing for me is that prepping only work if there is a transitory situation where a buffer can make it easier to navigate. If we are going full steam ahead towards the collapse of civilization your prepping just delays the inevitable. Also, if shift hits the fan, communities that are able to band together and work together will more likely do way better. I don't care how much food and guns you have stockpiled if I can just take them away from you when I need them. If things are dire other will come for your stockpile.

foogazi 4y ago
> If we are going full steam ahead towards the collapse of civilization your prepping just delays the inevitable. We all die in the end - isn’t a delay of then inevitable all we do everyday ?
- etrautmann 4y ago
  Yep, although I think the spirit of that point is that surviving the apocalypse may not be all that desirable.
  - foogazi 4y ago
    I’d rather find out and decide for myself
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    Society only exists as is today because people went through that "undesirable" period.
SnowHill9902 4y ago
Exactly. Prepping is not just stocking tuna cans and staying a nerd. It’s being physically fit, having a network of neighbors, and so on.
- x86x87 4y ago
  now we need to workout? booooo /s

pella 4y ago

"Prepping is an act of community resilience, “the capacity to anticipate risk, limit impact, and bounce back rapidly through survival, adaptability, evolution, and growth in the face of turbulent change” (Plodinec, 2009). For example, Huddleston’s (2016) study of a Midwestern prepping group indicates that the micro-resilience of these groups enhances larger local systems and may improve a community’s ability to withstand disaster. The philosophy of preparedness encompasses protecting one’s families from disaster, homesteading and sustainability. Their belief in self-reliance, approaches to survival (sheltering in place or leaving the city), gathering resources (supplies and skills) and networking, demonstrate capacities of community resilience (Faulkner, 2018)." from: (2020) "New Yorkers’ Street Smarts and Survival Smarts During the Pandemic: Preppers, Community Resilience and Local Citizenship" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347094445_New_Yorkers'_Street_Smarts_and_Survival_Smarts_During_the_Pandemic_Preppers_Community_Resilience_and_Local_Citizenship https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347094445_New_Yorke... "Conclusion: During the COVID-19 pandemic, urban preppers bolstered community resilience by relying on prepping strategies to protect themselves and shelter in place more effectively, and sharing their knowledge and resources with their neighbors. Their philosophy of self-reliance has helped them to survive the pandemic and brace for future surges. As noted by the Partnership for New York City (2020), “the pandemic unleashed political, racial and economic tensions that can either leave the nation’s largest and most important urban center in chaos or. . .provide the impetus for working together for recovery and positive change.” Now, survival is dependent on the resilience of the city. ..."

karaterobot 4y ago

> Preppers, as the community of bunker builders and food hoarders is known, emerged during the Cold War as fears of nuclear holocaust drove some people to go to great lengths to prepare for survival in a burned-out world. The mentality of storing supplies in case of an emergency, or simply as a matter of practicality, is older than the cold war. Long term storage of food for times of need has been the rule rather than the exception for all of human history, except for maybe those few, strange decades after WWII. Drying, pickling, burying, canning, and so on: your great grandparents were certainly "preppers", if they lived in a rural area, even if they didn't know the term. The framing of this practice as a paranoiac response to the cold war was something the media created, to have some group to deride, and through tidal processes it was inevitable they would reappropriate it eventually, to have some new trend to write an article about. But really, nothing has changed: the idea that the supply chain will always be there to provide anything we want, anywhere, at any time was what was crazy, not the precaution to store things against the day you might need them.

mgarfias 4y ago

Just gonna leave this here: https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-surprisingly-solid-mathematical https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-surprisingly-solid-mathemati...

endymi0n 4y ago

[citation needed] Just looking at any of the commonly cited reasons to prep (unrest, natural disasters) especially in developed countries and how they played out in the end, what you see is neighbors banding together, volunteers arriving from all over the country and random people donating large chunks of money. I like to think of the preppers‘ cynical and pessimistic mindset as ultimate projection: Just because they would defend their food stash with a gun doesn‘t mean others wouldn‘t share their last can.

aliqot 4y ago

Self sufficiency and self reliance are just good skills to have regardless for the well being of your family. When did it become some type of negative epithet to call someone a 'prepper'? We all know the story of the grasshopper and the squirrels. One thing really irks me though about this.. It really speaks to the city privilege of some of these authors and their editors to even assume a position of "hey maybe these preppers were right all along"; how condescending. It is my way of life to harvest my own resources, build my own things, and support my community through thick and thin, that is my culture and my legacy. To use that as an ideological strawman is about as disrespectful as it gets.

giantg2 4y ago
"Self sufficiency and self reliance are just good skills to have regardless for the well being of your family. When did it become some type of negative epithet to call someone a 'prepper'?" I think most people who prepare are not called preppers, nor think of themselves that way. During the cold War, there were all sorts of preparedness info being given out by rhe government. Some people made bunkers, I'd say most tried to have about a month's worth of food just on a natural rotation in the pantry. I think specialization of labor and increasing wealth tends to wipe out a lot of self-reliance over generations. Why fix your own toilet if you make enough at your regular job; or work too many hours to get to it; or that you never saw your parents do that kind of work so you don't know what to even look up?
zach_garwood 4y ago
Grasshopper and the squirrels? I heard the fable as the grasshopper and the ants. Wouldn't the squirrels just eat the grasshopper, instead of having philosophical debates with it? I mean, c'mon, you expect me to believe that an invertebrate and a mammal even share a common language!? Inconceivable!
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  The advantage of squirrels over ants is that the former are a lot better roasted than the latter, giving sustenance to both the listener as well as the narrator.

tomatotomato37 4y ago

As someone who lives in an area commonly threatened by hurricanes I don't know where this exclusivity between "Prepper" and "Community member" came from. I'm all for being the friendly neighbor willing to contribute when a disaster strikes, but I also don't understand how that conflates with having a generator and a few days of non-perishables stashed in a closet somewhere. Especially considering you'll just be more useful overall when you having functioning tools

jl6 4y ago

It’s hard to evaluate whether prepping was (or is) right or wrong. Although the article identifies Covid as a turning point in mainstream acceptance of prepping, it’s still notable that even during Covid prepping wasn’t actually necessary. Despite the heavy supply chain disruption, the system did ultimately pull through. Also, Covid-useful items like masks, hand-sanitizer, dexamethasone and ventilators weren’t in the typical prepper inventory (but maybe social distancing was!). So I think we must imagine a significantly more dire scenario than Covid against which to evaluate how worthwhile any given prepping activity is. Also worth watching out for is the anti-society, extreme individualist fringe of prepping culture, which is not only an unproven mitigation against societal collapse, but might actually be one of the forces that causes it.

pella 4y ago

"SHTF: Survival Tips and Stories from Bosnian War Survivors" (2021) https://www.primalsurvivor.net/shtf-survival-tips-and-stories-from-bosnian-war-survivors/ https://www.primalsurvivor.net/shtf-survival-tips-and-storie... - Supplies Will Run Out. Skills Won’t. - You Will Eat Anything - Dirty Water Will Kill You - You Will Be Bored Out of Your Mind - Don’t Get Pregnant - Get a Bike - Live Near Reusable Resources - You Will Get to Know Your Neighbors Better than Ever - Don’t Count on the Authorities - There is No Point in Fighting If You’ve Lost Your Humanity

emrah 4y ago

I agree with everyone who commented "prepping is not sufficient, we need communities to survive long term, otherwise we just delay the inevitable" Watch "Falling Skies" if you don't agree. It's a good proxy.

taylodl 4y ago

Yeah. And even a broken clock is correct twice a day.