I agree, but you are trying to convince an audience made up of a "few" of the types of people who came up with those methods you raise here, or at the very leas

I agree, but you are trying to convince an audience made up of a "few" of the types of people who came up with those methods you raise here, or at the very least trying to get to that position. If anything you might even be provding a few of the younger ones with a road map. (joke / sort of). Source: see the reponses :-D