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Do you see any major mainstream media actively publishing things that go counter to key EU policy? Ones who aren't being actively censored by the EU that is.

by djbebs 4y ago

Do you see any major mainstream media actively publishing things that go counter to key EU policy? Ones who aren't being actively censored by the EU that is. Show me a mainstream media based in the EU actively supporting Russia in the Ukraine conflict then.

chickenchicken 4y ago
What kind of argument is that? There aren‘t any media advocating killing yourself with a Butter knife either. Not every view point is equally valid.
mqus 4y ago
"not publishing anything that go counter to key EU policies" is now the same as "Mainstream media do not support russia"? I think that media very often call out bullshit takes of the government, EU or national. But being against russia just isn't a bullshit take. That said, Media do cover also when Ukraine does things wrong, but those things are just not as common. You can't report 50/50% when the situation is 99/1%.
bojan 4y ago
It's not a "Ukraine conflict", it is a Russian invasion on a neighbouring sovereign country called Ukraine. It's as much a "Ukraine" conflict as certain events of 1939 were "Poland conflict". How do you even support the attacker in this war and remain true to the facts is beyond me. So it's really difficult to understand what do you even mean.
piva00 4y ago
> Show me a mainstream media based in the EU actively supporting Russia in the Ukraine conflict then. It's "Russian invasion of Ukraine", not "Ukraine conflict", first. What point do you want to make with this though? I don't need to find a contrarian to every point to prove anything, that's also just being a contrarian and usually mainstream media avoids being a contrarian. If you live in Fox News-world that might seem alien but MSM is not in the job of being a contrarian. Burdening me to prove my point by forcing me into an impossible situation won't change much, I could also tell you that support for Ukraine is so unanimous that no MSM in the EU holds the contrarian position you want them to. That's not wrong or the EU silencing it, it's simply a position that almost no business in the EU would dare to hold because they'd suffer a massive hit from public opinion, most EU citizens do not support Russia (as it should be), why should a MSM vehicle take the contrarian point of view? Show me proof for your statements, please, I can't prove you a negative, I believe you should be quite well aware of that.
mqus 4y ago
Additional to my other complaint: see here for a mainstream medium in germany (imho it should not be as popular as it is) reporting on "Ukraine reportedly attacking Kachovka dam": https://www.bild.de/news/2022/news/russland-krieg-gegen-ukraine-aktuell-im-liveticker-79328978.bild.html#63679baaceb202799da3951a https://www.bild.de/news/2022/news/russland-krieg-gegen-ukra... . But since you did not define EU policy or "supporting Russia" I'm not sure if that covers your wants. Btw It took 2 minutes to find that article, there are surely more.
WastingMyTime89 4y ago
> Do you see any major mainstream media actively publishing things that go counter to key EU policy? Yes, approximately all the time. For a time in England, you couldn’t open a newspaper without finding an article critical of - sometimes imaginary - EU policies. You will be hard pressed to find an article supportive of Russia outside RT but you can find plenty questioning the timing and amount of weapons given, how we track where the money we give go and especially the idea of allowing Ukraine into the EU.

by djbebs 4y ago

chickenchicken 4y ago

What kind of argument is that? There aren‘t any media advocating killing yourself with a Butter knife either. Not every view point is equally valid.

mqus 4y ago

"not publishing anything that go counter to key EU policies" is now the same as "Mainstream media do not support russia"? I think that media very often call out bullshit takes of the government, EU or national. But being against russia just isn't a bullshit take. That said, Media do cover also when Ukraine does things wrong, but those things are just not as common. You can't report 50/50% when the situation is 99/1%.

bojan 4y ago

It's not a "Ukraine conflict", it is a Russian invasion on a neighbouring sovereign country called Ukraine. It's as much a "Ukraine" conflict as certain events of 1939 were "Poland conflict". How do you even support the attacker in this war and remain true to the facts is beyond me. So it's really difficult to understand what do you even mean.

piva00 4y ago

> Show me a mainstream media based in the EU actively supporting Russia in the Ukraine conflict then. It's "Russian invasion of Ukraine", not "Ukraine conflict", first. What point do you want to make with this though? I don't need to find a contrarian to every point to prove anything, that's also just being a contrarian and usually mainstream media avoids being a contrarian. If you live in Fox News-world that might seem alien but MSM is not in the job of being a contrarian. Burdening me to prove my point by forcing me into an impossible situation won't change much, I could also tell you that support for Ukraine is so unanimous that no MSM in the EU holds the contrarian position you want them to. That's not wrong or the EU silencing it, it's simply a position that almost no business in the EU would dare to hold because they'd suffer a massive hit from public opinion, most EU citizens do not support Russia (as it should be), why should a MSM vehicle take the contrarian point of view? Show me proof for your statements, please, I can't prove you a negative, I believe you should be quite well aware of that.

mqus 4y ago

Additional to my other complaint: see here for a mainstream medium in germany (imho it should not be as popular as it is) reporting on "Ukraine reportedly attacking Kachovka dam": https://www.bild.de/news/2022/news/russland-krieg-gegen-ukraine-aktuell-im-liveticker-79328978.bild.html#63679baaceb202799da3951a https://www.bild.de/news/2022/news/russland-krieg-gegen-ukra... . But since you did not define EU policy or "supporting Russia" I'm not sure if that covers your wants. Btw It took 2 minutes to find that article, there are surely more.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago

> Do you see any major mainstream media actively publishing things that go counter to key EU policy? Yes, approximately all the time. For a time in England, you couldn’t open a newspaper without finding an article critical of - sometimes imaginary - EU policies. You will be hard pressed to find an article supportive of Russia outside RT but you can find plenty questioning the timing and amount of weapons given, how we track where the money we give go and especially the idea of allowing Ukraine into the EU.