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It's thoroughly exhausting to read this kind of comment. It's pedantic and soapboxing at the same time, the two worst types of comments I come across in HN. >

by piva00 4y ago

It's thoroughly exhausting to read this kind of comment. It's pedantic and soapboxing at the same time, the two worst types of comments I come across in HN. > I was under the impression that the above entities already have the largest megaphone of all through the uncritical mainstream press. Where do you get this impression that the mainstream press/media is uncritical of the EU? The EU is a large body, obviously they would have a large megaphone, what's your actual issue with the EU governing bodies creating their federated platform to share their statements? And how exactly is that showing their want to control the Internet discourse? Just by participating in it are they trying to control it, in your worldview? Again, abstain from this soapboxing (at least on HN), it's definitely low-quality comment.

notright5 4y ago
notright5 4y ago
- chickenchicken 4y ago
  Sure Elon
- hardware2win 4y ago
  I dont think this "free market" thing exists and is used in practice, yet alone is viable.
- piva00 4y ago
  Those are big and bold statements, I think you'd need to properly lay out these claims instead of writing hot takes. It'd do much more for a healthy and engaging conversation than empty platitudes based on your ideology :)
djbebs 4y ago
Do you see any major mainstream media actively publishing things that go counter to key EU policy? Ones who aren't being actively censored by the EU that is. Show me a mainstream media based in the EU actively supporting Russia in the Ukraine conflict then.
- chickenchicken 4y ago
  What kind of argument is that? There aren‘t any media advocating killing yourself with a Butter knife either. Not every view point is equally valid.
- mqus 4y ago
  "not publishing anything that go counter to key EU policies" is now the same as "Mainstream media do not support russia"? I think that media very often call out bullshit takes of the government, EU or national. But being against russia just isn't a bullshit take. That said, Media do cover also when Ukraine does things wrong, but those things are just not as common. You can't report 50/50% when the situation is 99/1%.
- bojan 4y ago
  It's not a "Ukraine conflict", it is a Russian invasion on a neighbouring sovereign country called Ukraine. It's as much a "Ukraine" conflict as certain events of 1939 were "Poland conflict". How do you even support the attacker in this war and remain true to the facts is beyond me. So it's really difficult to understand what do you even mean.
- piva00 4y ago
  > Show me a mainstream media based in the EU actively supporting Russia in the Ukraine conflict then. It's "Russian invasion of Ukraine", not "Ukraine conflict", first. What point do you want to make with this though? I don't need to find a contrarian to every point to prove anything, that's also just being a contrarian and usually mainstream media avoids being a contrarian. If you live in Fox News-world that might seem alien but MSM is not in the job of being a contrarian. Burdening me to prove my point by forcing me into an impossible situation won't change much, I could also tell you that support for Ukraine is so unanimous that no MSM in the EU holds the contrarian position you want them to. That's not wrong or the EU silencing it, it's simply a position that almost no business in the EU would dare to hold because they'd suffer a massive hit from public opinion, most EU citizens do not support Russia (as it should be), why should a MSM vehicle take the contrarian point of view? Show me proof for your statements, please, I can't prove you a negative, I believe you should be quite well aware of that.
ulgrt 4y ago
It is easy to ask general, somewhat self-righteous questions here and elsewhere without providing any answers. That the comment you respond to has been censored does not make it any less difficult. In general, opinions about the mainstream press come from reading it for decades. No one can provide a "proof" that can be captured in a comment box. It seems to me that the issue is calling the platform "EU Voice", which should probably be for all people.
- piva00 4y ago
  > It is easy to ask general, somewhat self-righteous questions here and elsewhere without providing any answers. That the comment you respond to has been censored does not make it any less difficult. It's also easy to escape through a throwaway account while using my history against me, instead of answering the aforementioned "self-righteous" questions :) Please, don't come with the tiresome "CENSORED!" call out, if people flagged/downvoted it then you should look at that as a signal. > It seems to me that the issue is calling the platform "EU Voice", which should probably be for all people. This is exactly the pedantry I call out in my comment, if that wasn't absolutely clear... You are interpreting the name "EU Voice" to have the meaning you want and then beating this strawman. > In general, opinions about the mainstream press come from reading it for decades. No one can provide a "proof" that can be captured in a comment box. So you are stating it's... Just a feeling?

by piva00 4y ago

notright5 4y ago

chickenchicken 4y ago
Sure Elon
hardware2win 4y ago
I dont think this "free market" thing exists and is used in practice, yet alone is viable.
piva00 4y ago
Those are big and bold statements, I think you'd need to properly lay out these claims instead of writing hot takes. It'd do much more for a healthy and engaging conversation than empty platitudes based on your ideology :)

djbebs 4y ago

Do you see any major mainstream media actively publishing things that go counter to key EU policy? Ones who aren't being actively censored by the EU that is. Show me a mainstream media based in the EU actively supporting Russia in the Ukraine conflict then.

chickenchicken 4y ago
What kind of argument is that? There aren‘t any media advocating killing yourself with a Butter knife either. Not every view point is equally valid.
mqus 4y ago
"not publishing anything that go counter to key EU policies" is now the same as "Mainstream media do not support russia"? I think that media very often call out bullshit takes of the government, EU or national. But being against russia just isn't a bullshit take. That said, Media do cover also when Ukraine does things wrong, but those things are just not as common. You can't report 50/50% when the situation is 99/1%.
bojan 4y ago
It's not a "Ukraine conflict", it is a Russian invasion on a neighbouring sovereign country called Ukraine. It's as much a "Ukraine" conflict as certain events of 1939 were "Poland conflict". How do you even support the attacker in this war and remain true to the facts is beyond me. So it's really difficult to understand what do you even mean.
piva00 4y ago
> Show me a mainstream media based in the EU actively supporting Russia in the Ukraine conflict then. It's "Russian invasion of Ukraine", not "Ukraine conflict", first. What point do you want to make with this though? I don't need to find a contrarian to every point to prove anything, that's also just being a contrarian and usually mainstream media avoids being a contrarian. If you live in Fox News-world that might seem alien but MSM is not in the job of being a contrarian. Burdening me to prove my point by forcing me into an impossible situation won't change much, I could also tell you that support for Ukraine is so unanimous that no MSM in the EU holds the contrarian position you want them to. That's not wrong or the EU silencing it, it's simply a position that almost no business in the EU would dare to hold because they'd suffer a massive hit from public opinion, most EU citizens do not support Russia (as it should be), why should a MSM vehicle take the contrarian point of view? Show me proof for your statements, please, I can't prove you a negative, I believe you should be quite well aware of that.

ulgrt 4y ago

It is easy to ask general, somewhat self-righteous questions here and elsewhere without providing any answers. That the comment you respond to has been censored does not make it any less difficult. In general, opinions about the mainstream press come from reading it for decades. No one can provide a "proof" that can be captured in a comment box. It seems to me that the issue is calling the platform "EU Voice", which should probably be for all people.

piva00 4y ago
> It is easy to ask general, somewhat self-righteous questions here and elsewhere without providing any answers. That the comment you respond to has been censored does not make it any less difficult. It's also easy to escape through a throwaway account while using my history against me, instead of answering the aforementioned "self-righteous" questions :) Please, don't come with the tiresome "CENSORED!" call out, if people flagged/downvoted it then you should look at that as a signal. > It seems to me that the issue is calling the platform "EU Voice", which should probably be for all people. This is exactly the pedantry I call out in my comment, if that wasn't absolutely clear... You are interpreting the name "EU Voice" to have the meaning you want and then beating this strawman. > In general, opinions about the mainstream press come from reading it for decades. No one can provide a "proof" that can be captured in a comment box. So you are stating it's... Just a feeling?