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I have not mentioned my own views on "transgender" issues or "racial justice" issues or any other issues as these are of no concern to the issue here, that bein

I have not mentioned my own views on "transgender" issues or "racial justice" issues or any other issues as these are of no concern to the issue here, that being the question whether any issue is ripe for satire no matter who does the satirising. I do not mention my views so as not to muddle the issue, not because they are secret. We're talking about satire, not about sex or religion or ideology. My views on humour and satire are relevant so I'll give them: anything is ripe for satire and humour is in the eye and ear of the beholder. That does not mean everything makes for good satire and everything which is deemed humorous by some is good humour but it does mean the limits to humour and satire are to be set by the laws of the land, not by a self-styled thought police. The Onion is free to satirise anything they want and so is the Babylon Bee. You do not have to find their satire funny nor do you have to read or watch it, that is up to you. As long as they do not violate the law - which, at least in theory, is shaped through a democratically (or in the case of the USA a representational republic-ally - they are free to wander where they want.

boston_clone 4y ago
Extraordinary; all this discussion just to get back to square zero. No one has advocated that the government step in and censor the Bee because what they’re doing is illegal. People are being critical because the content they publish legitimizes lies and punches down on marginalized groups. If you enjoy that kind of content, you should feel free to go where those views are welcome; I am making it plain that it is not welcome here.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  While you may not like what the Bee or the Onion or any other publication satirises that does not mean it is "not welcome here". Others find the same satire a welcome relief from a narrative which is being pushed hard, often with the threat of unemployment and social ostracisation as a threat for disobedience.
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  - boston_clone 4y ago
    Just because you call it a narrative doesn’t mean it’s false; just because people are worried about being unemployed doesn’t mean we need to listen to the hypotheses of morons. Neo-nazis should worry about losing their job. People that promote misinformation about public health should be pilloried. People who want to remove rights from women, transgender people, minorities, immigrants, etc. and treat them as anything less than human deserve social ostracization.
spencerflem 4y ago
exactly what Boston said - the conversation started with someone (you?) saying it's ironic Onion fans hate the bee. It's not ironic, the bee is hated because it's in favor of Big Lie conspiracies, anti trans hate, and anti gay hate. Nobody was saying they should be illegal. You posting pro - Bee content makes me feel unwelcome here, since it's advocating for direct harm. Again, not illegal, no real world consequences, but I don't want to be on this site anymore. I can only hope stronger people make you uncomfortable enough to move to truth social or mastodon or something and I will be able to return to a site I used to love.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  What makes you feel "unwelcome" and what do you mean with "direct harm"? As far as I'm concerned this place is where anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity can be discussed. While there are plenty of occasions where I come across opinions which I do not agree with this does not "harm" me nor does it make me feel "unwelcome". Not even the direct calls you just made to make me uncomfortable enough to move to truth social or mastodon or something - a direct call to make me unwelcome in other words - makes me feel unwelcome since I know this is only the opinion of one person. Others may agree with you, others will not. As far as I'm concerned we are both welcome here as long as we keep within the rules of this site [1]. Agree to disagree and we'll hopefully live long and prosper? [1] ...which we're surely close to violating given the inherently political nature of this subject
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boston_clone 4y ago

Extraordinary; all this discussion just to get back to square zero. No one has advocated that the government step in and censor the Bee because what they’re doing is illegal. People are being critical because the content they publish legitimizes lies and punches down on marginalized groups. If you enjoy that kind of content, you should feel free to go where those views are welcome; I am making it plain that it is not welcome here.

the_third_wave 4y ago
While you may not like what the Bee or the Onion or any other publication satirises that does not mean it is "not welcome here". Others find the same satire a welcome relief from a narrative which is being pushed hard, often with the threat of unemployment and social ostracisation as a threat for disobedience.
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- boston_clone 4y ago
  Just because you call it a narrative doesn’t mean it’s false; just because people are worried about being unemployed doesn’t mean we need to listen to the hypotheses of morons. Neo-nazis should worry about losing their job. People that promote misinformation about public health should be pilloried. People who want to remove rights from women, transgender people, minorities, immigrants, etc. and treat them as anything less than human deserve social ostracization.

spencerflem 4y ago

exactly what Boston said - the conversation started with someone (you?) saying it's ironic Onion fans hate the bee. It's not ironic, the bee is hated because it's in favor of Big Lie conspiracies, anti trans hate, and anti gay hate. Nobody was saying they should be illegal. You posting pro - Bee content makes me feel unwelcome here, since it's advocating for direct harm. Again, not illegal, no real world consequences, but I don't want to be on this site anymore. I can only hope stronger people make you uncomfortable enough to move to truth social or mastodon or something and I will be able to return to a site I used to love.

the_third_wave 4y ago
What makes you feel "unwelcome" and what do you mean with "direct harm"? As far as I'm concerned this place is where anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity can be discussed. While there are plenty of occasions where I come across opinions which I do not agree with this does not "harm" me nor does it make me feel "unwelcome". Not even the direct calls you just made to make me uncomfortable enough to move to truth social or mastodon or something - a direct call to make me unwelcome in other words - makes me feel unwelcome since I know this is only the opinion of one person. Others may agree with you, others will not. As far as I'm concerned we are both welcome here as long as we keep within the rules of this site [1]. Agree to disagree and we'll hopefully live long and prosper? [1] ...which we're surely close to violating given the inherently political nature of this subject
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