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>In the same way, forcing any website to list Gab would not be free speech... I think you're being a bit disingenuous talking about "forcing" sites to list Gab

>In the same way, forcing any website to list Gab would not be free speech... I think you're being a bit disingenuous talking about "forcing" sites to list Gab. If individual instances wanted to de-link from it that was their perogative. But I was talking abuot sites which claim to provide indexes of what Mastodon servers are out there --ignoring the biggest one by a considerable margin, because they didn't like the politics of the people who used it. I think if ypu're claiming to provide an index, it kind of behoves you to index everything you're supposed to be indexing. Not leave huge sections out because you don't like them. Imagine publishing a business directory where you didn't list the Jewish or black owned businesses... or printing a dictionary but leaving out all the words that began with a letter you didn't like. Yes. No-one who believes in free speech should be "forcing" you to make good those omissions. But they're prefectly entitled to question the value of your 'publication' if you don't.

commoner 4y ago
Gab is not an instance of Mastodon. It is a fork of Mastodon that has been modified to not interoperate with Mastodon instances and other fediverse services. Because of this, Gab is not part of the fediverse and has no place on instances.social. If you want to create a list of social networks that includes Mastodon instances and Gab together, go for it. But there is no reason a list of Mastodon instances needs to include a service that is not a Mastodon instance.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  I did not know that, I assumed gab was a regular instance. Thank you.
  - Normille 4y ago
    >Gab isn't an instance of Mastodon. It was in the past. Hence why I said [using past tense]... >Anyone remember when Gab had the biggest Mastodon instance by far... As far as I remember the details, Gab forked Mastodon, after being effectively frozen out of the fediverse by all the other instances and indexes. BTW --My politics are polar opposite to Gab's. But if you really believe in free speech, you shouldn't just defend it for people you agree with.
    - commoner 4y ago
      > As far as I remember the details, Gab forked Mastodon, after being effectively frozen out of the fediverse by all the other instances and indexes. Gab, after its backend switch, has always been a fork of Mastodon instead of a stock implementation. Some Mastodon instances exercised their free speech (free association) rights by blocking Gab afterward, and some websites exercised their right to free speech by choosing not to mention Gab. Other Mastodon instances did not block Gab, and there were also websites that listed Gab alongside other fediverse services. The owner of Gab later exercised his free speech rights when he decided to remove Mastodon's federation feature from Gab, turning Gab back to a single-instance monolithic social network like Twitter. By doing this, Gab exited the fediverse and no longer met the criteria for inclusion on websites that list fediverse services. Of course, there are websites that list social networks in general, which do include Gab. > But if you really believe in free speech, you shouldn't just defend it for people you agree with. Promoting or hosting content from Gab on a website is not a necessary condition for exercising free speech. This is because free speech includes free association, and website owners can opt to exercise their free speech rights by choosing not to promote or host content from Gab. The owner of Gab also exercised his free speech right by changing Gab to not interoperate with other Mastodon instances and fediverse services. As far as every party in this situation is concerned, the exercise of free speech has been upheld. While it is no longer possible to host a Mastodon instance, it's still possible to create a website that lists Gab alongside anything you want. If none of the existing websites have the content you want to see, go ahead and exercise your free speech right to make one yourself.
      - commoner 4y ago
        Late edit: "While it is no longer possible to host a Mastodon instance" should be "While it is no longer possible to host a Mastodon instance that interoperates with Gab".

commoner 4y ago

Gab is not an instance of Mastodon. It is a fork of Mastodon that has been modified to not interoperate with Mastodon instances and other fediverse services. Because of this, Gab is not part of the fediverse and has no place on instances.social. If you want to create a list of social networks that includes Mastodon instances and Gab together, go for it. But there is no reason a list of Mastodon instances needs to include a service that is not a Mastodon instance.

ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
I did not know that, I assumed gab was a regular instance. Thank you.
- Normille 4y ago
  >Gab isn't an instance of Mastodon. It was in the past. Hence why I said [using past tense]... >Anyone remember when Gab had the biggest Mastodon instance by far... As far as I remember the details, Gab forked Mastodon, after being effectively frozen out of the fediverse by all the other instances and indexes. BTW --My politics are polar opposite to Gab's. But if you really believe in free speech, you shouldn't just defend it for people you agree with.
  - commoner 4y ago
    > As far as I remember the details, Gab forked Mastodon, after being effectively frozen out of the fediverse by all the other instances and indexes. Gab, after its backend switch, has always been a fork of Mastodon instead of a stock implementation. Some Mastodon instances exercised their free speech (free association) rights by blocking Gab afterward, and some websites exercised their right to free speech by choosing not to mention Gab. Other Mastodon instances did not block Gab, and there were also websites that listed Gab alongside other fediverse services. The owner of Gab later exercised his free speech rights when he decided to remove Mastodon's federation feature from Gab, turning Gab back to a single-instance monolithic social network like Twitter. By doing this, Gab exited the fediverse and no longer met the criteria for inclusion on websites that list fediverse services. Of course, there are websites that list social networks in general, which do include Gab. > But if you really believe in free speech, you shouldn't just defend it for people you agree with. Promoting or hosting content from Gab on a website is not a necessary condition for exercising free speech. This is because free speech includes free association, and website owners can opt to exercise their free speech rights by choosing not to promote or host content from Gab. The owner of Gab also exercised his free speech right by changing Gab to not interoperate with other Mastodon instances and fediverse services. As far as every party in this situation is concerned, the exercise of free speech has been upheld. While it is no longer possible to host a Mastodon instance, it's still possible to create a website that lists Gab alongside anything you want. If none of the existing websites have the content you want to see, go ahead and exercise your free speech right to make one yourself.
    - commoner 4y ago
      Late edit: "While it is no longer possible to host a Mastodon instance" should be "While it is no longer possible to host a Mastodon instance that interoperates with Gab".