1. They are largely the same people. The mere fact that it is theoretically possible that it is two separate groups doesn't mean we should ignore the obvious fa

1. They are largely the same people. The mere fact that it is theoretically possible that it is two separate groups doesn't mean we should ignore the obvious fact that it is not. 2. It's possible of course, but almost nobody making either point (usually both) does so with the kind of nuance necessary to make this argument.