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What abuse? Layoffs and firings are legal. Asking people if they want a job back is legal. I fail to see any abuse.

by ryanSrich 4y ago

AlphaSite 4y ago
Not all bad or abusive behaviour is illegal, it’s just immoral and looked down upon.
yrgulation 4y ago
Seriously?
- deleted 4y ago
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- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  Labor protections are weak in the united states. It is still legal to hire child labor for agriculture. Approximately a quarter of food in the united states is picked using child labor.
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    A scary thought to be honest. What is the point in being a rich country if not for increasing standards, including those for working conditions?
    - x86x87 4y ago
      there is no point in being a rich country if your citizens, on average, live like crap. you are not rich, a few select ones are wealthy beyond comprehension, there is a constantly shrinking middle class and most people live through hell every freaking day.
tasty_freeze 4y ago
If I scream at my wife that she is an ugly, useless person, that is legal. If ten minutes later I say ignore that, I want to be with you, that is also legal. It would still be abusive.
- ryanSrich 4y ago
  So you’re suggesting Elon abused these employees privately? Because I’m not seeing any public abuse, especially not at any identifiable group of employees. I have no idea what your comment is supposed to mean.
  - ribosometronome 4y ago
    I don't think their point is that the situations are completely equitable but rather that your logic of "it is legal and therefore not abuse" is clearly not the case, as their scenario is abusive and likely legal.
  - tasty_freeze 4y ago
    > So you’re suggesting Elon abused these employees privately No, I didn't. It seems pretty clear that you think his public behavior was AOK. Many people, including me and the person you originally responded to, think Musk has little regard about the effect his behavior has on his new employees. Most people consider getting laid off to be a significant disruption to their lives: their finances, their reputation, and often their mental health. Doing that to 3700 people (or whatever) and then a day later saying, "So do you want to work here or not?" doesn't cancel out what happened a day or two before. Do you understand the old phrase, "you can't unring the bell"?
    - ryanSrich 4y ago
      It doesn’t matter what I think about his public behavior. If you have an example of Elon abusing his employees I’d be interested in seeing it. Posting Reddit-tier memes doesn’t seem like abuse to me. Unless you consider being cringe abuse. You could argue layoffs are abuse. But you’d have to convince me Twitter’s specific implementation of layoffs are more abusive than any other company’s. From what I read, 3 months severance was offered, which they have no legal obligation to offer. That doesn’t seem abusive to me.
x86x87 4y ago
Just because something is legal does not mean it's not abusive. Every time you play 5D chess with people's livelihood you are effectively abusing their good will. For Twitter: good luck retaining great employees. Also good luck finding other people willing to work there if through some sort of miracle Twitter survives.

What abuse? Layoffs and firings are legal. Asking people if they want a job back is legal. I fail to see any abuse.

AlphaSite 4y ago

Not all bad or abusive behaviour is illegal, it’s just immoral and looked down upon.

yrgulation 4y ago

Seriously?

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PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Labor protections are weak in the united states. It is still legal to hire child labor for agriculture. Approximately a quarter of food in the united states is picked using child labor.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  A scary thought to be honest. What is the point in being a rich country if not for increasing standards, including those for working conditions?
  - x86x87 4y ago
    there is no point in being a rich country if your citizens, on average, live like crap. you are not rich, a few select ones are wealthy beyond comprehension, there is a constantly shrinking middle class and most people live through hell every freaking day.

tasty_freeze 4y ago

If I scream at my wife that she is an ugly, useless person, that is legal. If ten minutes later I say ignore that, I want to be with you, that is also legal. It would still be abusive.

ryanSrich 4y ago
So you’re suggesting Elon abused these employees privately? Because I’m not seeing any public abuse, especially not at any identifiable group of employees. I have no idea what your comment is supposed to mean.
- ribosometronome 4y ago
  I don't think their point is that the situations are completely equitable but rather that your logic of "it is legal and therefore not abuse" is clearly not the case, as their scenario is abusive and likely legal.
- tasty_freeze 4y ago
  > So you’re suggesting Elon abused these employees privately No, I didn't. It seems pretty clear that you think his public behavior was AOK. Many people, including me and the person you originally responded to, think Musk has little regard about the effect his behavior has on his new employees. Most people consider getting laid off to be a significant disruption to their lives: their finances, their reputation, and often their mental health. Doing that to 3700 people (or whatever) and then a day later saying, "So do you want to work here or not?" doesn't cancel out what happened a day or two before. Do you understand the old phrase, "you can't unring the bell"?
  - ryanSrich 4y ago
    It doesn’t matter what I think about his public behavior. If you have an example of Elon abusing his employees I’d be interested in seeing it. Posting Reddit-tier memes doesn’t seem like abuse to me. Unless you consider being cringe abuse. You could argue layoffs are abuse. But you’d have to convince me Twitter’s specific implementation of layoffs are more abusive than any other company’s. From what I read, 3 months severance was offered, which they have no legal obligation to offer. That doesn’t seem abusive to me.

x86x87 4y ago

Just because something is legal does not mean it's not abusive. Every time you play 5D chess with people's livelihood you are effectively abusing their good will. For Twitter: good luck retaining great employees. Also good luck finding other people willing to work there if through some sort of miracle Twitter survives.